Is there any truth to the creation of these 'Poyavlyatsa'. Apparently on the Russian Front, German Scientists created (from Russian civilians, and even German wounded) a body of people who became zombie like.
IS THIS TRUE???

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Dude . I don't know whether this is true or not but it certainly does sound intresting. But if this is true why would German scientists do something like that.

Jet

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Where did you read about them ? I ran a search on Google for poyavlyatsa but did not find anything useful.

I supposed you could pump a person full of speed and get them to go kill without regard to their own lives. I have often thought that a bullet would be nicer on the Russian front than to suffer in the -30 degree weather and end up getting killed anyway.

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No.

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Don´t think it happened though some of the nazi "doctors" were that crazy that they might have tried to build some...or one hundred...or more.But would never work for sure! Whatever it would be called...

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All I found was a short story, I dont think it is true, frankly I really REALLY do not want to believe it is true (I have a feeling many people will agree on that one). I have been researching into Nazi experimentation etc and havent seen anything about this kind of research though I do find the whole topic more frightening than any horror novel I have ever read. There is only so much one can take of this kind of thing.

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It wouldn't surprise me if the German scientists did attempt to do this. But thinking about it it does almost impossible to do. Even if they did, they would of wanted to keep it under raps.

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Do you have reliable information about this. Oh ya, the Nazi doctors in Nazi-camps did all kind of tests on the prisoners there.

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I got my source from a short story-perhaps we have the same source!!!

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Yeah-The most outrageous report I read, came from I believe Bergen-Belsen or Mauthausen, said that prisoners were injected with pus, so that when shot-the soldier's cells would not suffer as much as blood loss would effect them-leaving them with the ability to continue the fight.

I am still trying to figure out how that would work!!!

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This I found and think that it is the real idea behind the injections:

"Dr. Gross, SS-Sturmbannführer (SS major), who, too, had taken the Hippocratic oath, conducted the following experiments: he infected all young Jews and those Jewish prisoners who could at least still crawl with spotted fever, i.e. typhus. They were not allowed to go to work and in part survived this infectious disease. They were not allowed to leave the Block (barracks). After they had overcome the disease, blood serum was taken from them in great numbers which was then processed as vaccine for front-line soldiers - most likely for front-line soldier."

The serum has antibodies against diseases and thus given to soldiers protects from diseases. Pus in itself does not protect and at the time would be even dangerous as it might kill the person. They had only sulfonamides and penicilline at the time for antibiotics and even not enough of those, especially the Germans were probably very low on these later in the war.
On the subject of saving blood with pus if the soldier was shot at: I don´t have any ideaa how this would have worked. Maybe another crazy idea by the nazi doctors like they did to many. One of the craziest was Mengele´s idea to put some dye into the eye of children and see if the iris color turns to blue with that. Think of the pain of these injections...


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Other "interesting " concentration camp data:

Initially, the treatment of the sick prisoners was the sole responsibility of the SS doctors. Only later were doctors also recruited from among the prisoners. their duty to induce the death of sick prisoners, meaning those unfit for work, through, in the jargon of the SS, "Sonderbehandlungen", or "special treatment."
or they would be killed through injections into their hearts, called "Frühsport" (morning exercise), since the injections would be administered mostly in the morning.
The injections (German: "Spritzen") started with Dr. Krebsbach, which is why he was nicknamed "Spritzbach."
The injection reservoir would be filled with gasoline or phenol, and the needle was inserted directly into the prisoner's heart. At the beginning this was done without any narcosis.

http://www.mauthausen-memorial.gv.at....SSAerzte.html

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WOW KP, you can find some interesting sites !!
I am glad I have a mouth full of fillings so at least I won't get my head boiled and displayed.

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I agree with Andy: No.

However, as Kai posted, the stupid medics in the concentration camps were a bit (just a bit) UNSANE! Just look at Mengele's experiments!

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Ilse Koch was by far the worst-..."The Bitch of Belsen"

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Man, someone has been playing too much caslte wolvenstein or the hidden boards on medal of honor. Next the movie "ilsa, she-wolf of the SS" will be cited as a source.

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This guy, as medical commander of Auschwitz-Birkenau had a wall full of eyes with pins as if those were a butterflies collection...

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Doc-Ilse Koch was a real person, married to Karl Koch, and was reprimanded several times for overt cruelty to prisoners.
You must know the story of her grotesque collection of body part souveneirs?

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I think Ilse Koch was also the "mastermind" behind the idea of making skin made into lampshades . However during the court there was not enough evidence to prove this...??

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In his autobiography, entitled "Decision in Germany," General Clay wrote the following:

Among the 1672 trials was that of Ilse Koch, the branded "Bitch of Buchenwald," but as I examined the record I could not find her a major participant in the crimes of Buchenwald. A sordid, disreputable character, she had delighted in flaunting her sex, emphasized by tight sweaters and short skirts, before the long-confined male prisoners, and had developed their bitter hatred. Nevertheless these were not the offenses for which she was being tried and so I reduced her sentence, expecting the reaction which came. Perhaps I erred in judgment but no one can share the responsibility of a reviewing officer. Later the Senate committee which unanimously criticized this action heard witnesses who gave testimony not contained in the record before me. I could take action only on that record.


According to Arthur Lee Smith, author of "Die Hexe von Buchenwald," the American government put pressure on the Germans to put her on trial again on charges of ordering the murder of Buchenwald inmates. Her trial before the American military tribunal had only covered crimes committed between January 1942 and April 1945, and even then, only crimes against civilians and military personnel of the Allied countries had been included in the charges. Crimes that she might have committed between 1936 and January 1942 and crimes against German civilians and soldiers were not included in the trial at Dachau.

A German court found Ilse Koch guilty of one count of incitement to murder, one count of incitement to attempted murder, five counts of incitement to severe physical mistreatment of prisoners, and two counts of physical mistreatment, and in January 1951 she was again sentenced to life imprisonment. While not finding her guilty of ordering prisoners killed for their tattooed skin, the court did take judicial notice that there was no doubt that lamp shades made from human skin had been found at Buchenwald. She protested her life sentence, to no avail, to the International Human Rights Commission. After serving over 20 years in prison, Ilse was founded dead in her cell at Aichach on September 1, 1967. Her death, by hanging, was ruled a suicide.

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Dachau.../IlseKoch.html

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