Over here I think the problem is much the same, my brother says that his history teachers teach because they have to not because they want to, that is to say that what they teach they tech because its on a piece of paper that they have to, not because they find it interesting etc. It also means that they have to teach everyone equally, where as before it was far easier to teach kids who wanted to learn whatever their ability. By way of an example, in my classes we sometimes get kids who are not particularly good at the subject but want to be, they tend to go into the lower ability groups and hense are stuck with kids who are there because they are irritating and dont want to learn, hense the kid that does want to learn suffers. Without the curriculum and the 'help everybody' thing, it is easier for the kid to learn without trouble caused by others. I am a great believer in ditching kids who dont want to learn mainly because I an fed up of being in classes with them, that is why I had to teach myself maths for 3 years.

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ahaha... Friedrich youth uniforms with Armbands with some kind of emblem on them. Everytime u finish a sentence they all say: "HEIL. HEIL. HEIL" for no particular reason at all.

OK. I like the uniforms idea.

And the veteran suggestion is indeed a great option. And of course I had already thought about that. The problem is, Stevin that I can't use my grandfather for that. As you know, he is unable to speak because of the Russian bullet in his troath...

And I do not do it for the money. I really don't need it. Tha pay is low, $20 dollars per class and I might give some 36 classes a week. That's 2.880 dollars a month (which I can make them singing one night) But the joy of teaching is the reason!

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"A mon fils: depuis que tes yeux sont fermes les miens n’ont cessé de pleurir." - Mère française, Verdun

Euh...Fried...do you need to have some kind of (Mexican) teaching credential in Mexico?

No wonder Holland has a too few teachers; they are all in Mexico!

Oh, and I have decided to become a singer too....

I know about your granddad but maybe you could have hiom answer questions writing with the help of a computer???? I know I enjoyed doing that!

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No, Stevin. Credentials of any kinds are needed. It is just that I quite impressed the subject coordinator and the school director/principal. That is why I was not asked for an university tittle. There are using me as an experiment... "Could a 19-year-old boy teach and handle 15-17-year-old boys?"

Well, I hadn't thought about that possibility on my grandfather, but I think I'd rather use someone else...

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"A mon fils: depuis que tes yeux sont fermes les miens n’ont cessé de pleurir." - Mère française, Verdun

I think that my teachers are really smart about the wars and history, but they only get so much time to teach it, and then we have to waste time on other things. But we can do extra assignments, like this year I was able to do somthing on the air war, got me extra 5% to report card, but next year I will be doing the J block extra credit thing where I believe I will put a book together on WW2 and I can earn up to 10 extra credits, and I think ill need forum help on that assignment [img]smile.gif[/img] [img]smile.gif[/img]

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When I was in Maryland I talked a little with John Michael Priest he is the author of "Antietam: A Soldier's Battle" and numerous other titles. He is a high school history teacher and he made the comment that in California they aren't allowing teachers to say anything about Pearl Harbor or any other aspect of the Pacific War because it would offend the Japanese.

It really sucks what is happening to history being taught in the U.S.

Greg

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You think it's bad here in Japan all they teach is Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Offending the japaneese as an excuse not to teach history is stupid. If they find that offensive what about the vetrans who suffered in the POW camps. I think that they would be offended if we didn't teach history.

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That is one thing I am thankful for, over here the education system does not make concessions to avoid offence (well, except in Religious Education where you can get in trouble for arguing against religions, oh well). For example we learn about the Free India campaign, including Amritsar and other colonial crimes. Sure I find it offensive, I find it offensive that my people could do such a thing, but I am damned if I am going to forget it happened.

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Reddog I agree with you there and Mr. Priest also mentioned how in Japan they don't teach anything about WWII and that most Japanese think they were allied with the US during WWII. Also don't forget Nanking or Manila where they massacred civilians like crazy.

Stefan I see what you mean about being offended about what your country did and how you wouldn't forget. He mentioned that history should be offensive so we don't repeat the same mistakes.

Unfornately there's more of a feel good attitude with regards to history.

Greg

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Greg, Robert E Lee said 'It is good that war is so terrible lest we grow fond of it' or words to that effect, I think that applies to general history as well.

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Sure is, I read it ages ago and have always thought that he was spot on. Lee was a great man indeed.

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I always thought that as well. Growing up--I did a lot of reading about General Robert Edward Lee.

Here is a fact for you. Did you know that he had been picked as the most beloved General of all time? Yep--and that was publishe da few years or so ago in the Military History Magazine.

Also--back in I think 1993-1994--he was also chosen as America's most beloved General--even over George Washington. [img]smile.gif[/img]

One of my descendants--who was a Colonel in the Confederate Cavalry (Lost his arm at Shiloh--that's Pittsburg Landing--to Yankees ) he had served with Lee when Lee was on a Staff at the beginning of the war. He was my great great great Uncle.

BTW--after the Civil War, my great great great Uncle was also the Sherrif of Dodge City but I don't know how long.

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Lost are only those, who abandon themselves) Hans-Ulrich Rudel.

Well, how is WW2 tought in My school?

Well, luckily I attend a Jesuit school, this year my social studies class was geography (coincidently, last year i finished 15th in the state geo bee)

anyways, the teacher, and friend Mr. Traughber did a good job of portraying WW2 whenever we breezed over it in relavence to geography.

Except for once:

When he tried to say that the Japanese Entered WW2 because they attacked Vietnam and France Declared War on them. Then he said the Japanese got caught up in a guerilla war in Indochina.

This is when i made him let me teach the class about Japanese entry into the war.


But i have it good, my friends that attend the local public school learned about WW2 by playing RISK.


CvM

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I dont know where some of my friends learn it..... one guy thought Winston Churchill was still the Prime Minister of Britain, another thought his Grandpa fought in Belgum the whole war, I tried asking if he was thinking WW1, he told me I was wrong and that the allies didnt leave Belgum.

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I do have a good history teacher..... but there is only 1 good one. One of my teacher told me that the British killed Jews to try and make pease with Germany, so i told her she was wrong and she gave me a detention for answering back. Most teacher will tell students on how evil the germans are how they bombed us and they killed hundreds of inosent people in England but wont tell them much about us bombing them. Destroying dams that killed hundreds. They say that Japan and Germany where compleatly evil.... yet we dropped 2 nukes on Japand that flattend 2 hole citys! Most teacher no f*** all, lol.

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Perhaps devote more time to your English classes?

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The kids in the Alternative school at my High School learned about WW2 by playing Battlefield 1942.

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The kids in the Alternative school at my High School learned about WW2 by playing Battlefield 1942. </font>[/quote]Lucky Bastards, I just use that to Study.


In all honesty though, i have Aced Tests, Quizes, and entire COURSES based on things i have only learned in Computer games

CvM

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&gt;When he tried to say that the Japanese Entered &gt;WW2 because they attacked Vietnam and France &gt;Declared War on them. Then he said the Japanese &gt;got caught up in a guerilla war in Indochina.

I don't know... there is a case to be made that he is correct.

It was the Japanese entry into Indochina which casused the United States to embargo most kinds of fuel, all steel and coal and several other critical resources.

Deprived of these resources (in particular oil and AvGas), the Japanese immediatly started designing military plans to obtain fuel. Since the Northrn option had been closed by the realities of the August 1939 nazi-Soviet pact, the only real option left was the Dutch east Indies.

Most of the planners felt that taking this island would cause the US to declare war, and if a war with the US was inevitable, then they decided on a plan of attrition atta