do you think we should still use ww2 methods of torture on terrorist interrogation today? i am 100% behind it, because it is the only prectical way of obtaining information today...

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I would use some kind of sleep deprivation or drugs but not torture per say. Reason, you can anything from anybody under torture. So how accurate will the information be that you get from a victim.

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I completely agree with Pzjgr. Information gotten from torture is often worth next to nothing as people will tell you anything you want to hear just to make it stop.

Sleep- and sense deprivation is far more effective. I know that after a while with "grey noise" and stress positions, you think the world is one big snowball and you'll be surprised what you have said that you yourself can't remember....

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Agreed. Brutal methods usually bring only the things you want to hear and not the things you should hear. That´s what I learnt from reading about the methods in WW2. Also terrorists today don´t know anything useful really( because only a part of the machine ) unless a bigger boss or cannot be turned against their background becaue they are brainwashed for years and years.

Also from WW2 we know that several people withstood a huge amount of pain and interrogation without telling anything useful...

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I know what white noise is but what is grey noise ? Is is irratitating loud noise like the FBI used on the Branch Davidians in 1993 ?

I agree with you both about physical torture not being a good methold but it may work if you are in a hurry to get information and don't have time for the psychological stuff.

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yall are right i guess, distortion is a major distortion in interrogation. pshycological torture is O.K., but yea...physical torture is neccessary in some cases

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Hi TA, I think you are right; it is called white noise. It is the same irritating noise, static, that after a while really disorientates you.

I guess getting the right info with hard physical force might work on certain people, but I still wonder wether the info is any good. And if speed is of the essence, I wonder rushing into things with the info provided through these means will not get you in possible big problems. And by the way; don't discount the speed with which you can achieve results with white noise and stress positions!

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I'm sorry, but has anyone thought about damned fundamental human rights?

How is it that a SS officer breaking a Jew's fingers in Dachau is awful and some stupid Yanks in Guantanamo beating 'terrorists' is not? [img]graemlins/no.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/no.gif[/img]

WWII was fought precisely to get rid of tiranny, genocide and torture. That is why the Nuremberg trials were so important: the Nazi criminals were treated 1.000 times better than any poor bastard 'trialed' by the Gestapo.

We better learn from the past. [img]graemlins/no.gif[/img]

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"A mon fils: depuis que tes yeux sont fermes les miens n’ont cessé de pleurir." - Mère française, Verdun

The irony is that sometimes you have to become your enemy in order to understand, defend against, and defeat your enemy.
Then the eternal question is, what makes you different/better?
Still I believe, sleep deprivation is the only "semi-humane"? way to aquire information.
Only an opinion...

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