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Old October 17th, 2007, 07:24 PM
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One in four Germans think Nazi rule was not all bad, poll reveals
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Old October 17th, 2007, 07:51 PM
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A high regard for the mother? What's so nice about the Kinder Küche Kirche concept?
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Old October 17th, 2007, 08:01 PM
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Ofcourse they would have a difference of opinion if they were on the receiving side of the glorious German rule
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I wouldn't fret, there are still people here who think Thatchler was good for the country.
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Old October 17th, 2007, 08:12 PM
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You dont think that Margaret Thatcher was good for your country?
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Old October 17th, 2007, 08:13 PM
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You dont think that Margaret Thatcher was good for your country?
Compared to the Black Death I suppose.
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Old October 17th, 2007, 09:21 PM
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I wonder how many read books on Nazi Germany? But on saying that wasn't Stalin voted the best leader Russia ever had last year.
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Old October 17th, 2007, 09:51 PM
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I wonder how many read books on Nazi Germany? But on saying that wasn't Stalin voted the best leader Russia ever had last year.
Ha now that im not familiar with!

He Definately does NOT have my vote!
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Old October 17th, 2007, 11:11 PM
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But on saying that wasn't Stalin voted the best leader Russia ever had last year.
What's wrong with that?
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So one in three thinks it is a pile of shyte then, go figure.
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They are going to make a movie based on the life and times of Supreme Soviet Joseph Stalin it is to be called "Mr. Congeniality", the lead is a digitized Boris Karlov.
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Old October 18th, 2007, 08:24 AM
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Ofcourse they would have a difference of opinion if they were on the receiving side of the glorious German rule

the weird thing is that many actually were both in nazi germany and the USSR and yet some consider those times the best there ever was. However some people did prospect alot and that could be seen as the reason why they liked it, yet living under dictatorship fearing that there is someone knocking on the door to take you to the camp...

yes, truly weird.
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A coin has two sides. That's what I've learned in 15 years as a journalist. The important thing to note is the context of the story. Whoever wrote the headline is playing on emotions to get more readers to read the story. It was given a "spin". If the headline was "3 out of 4 Germans think Nazi rule was mostly bad", would the story provoke the same reaction out of us?
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Old October 18th, 2007, 10:27 AM
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funny world isn't it ? so both part of the Germans and the Russians are nostalgic of their WWII leaders..... I think this is something to worry about.
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Old October 18th, 2007, 10:46 AM
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funny world isn't it ? so both part of the Germans and the Russians are nostalgic of their WWII leaders..... I think this is something to worry about.
You have a point but the original article did state that a demographic analysis of the poll showed that those that had something good to say about the Nazis were in the older, more senior bracket whereas the majority of those that had nothing good to say about it were the guys born a few years after the war.
Since the older guys are mostly retired and out of potentially powerful positions to affect government policy and the younger guys are the ones who are the current doers and shakers, the probability that something bad will actually come out of this is extremely low.

Nostalgia can sometimes be selective. We're all guilty of remembering the good memories and burying the bad ones. It's human nature.
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Let's not forget either that some nazi changes weren't particularly nazi - murdering disabled babies for example or abusing foreigners, attacking the working class and mega-subsidising the rich . . .er am I back to Thatchler again?
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Old October 18th, 2007, 02:03 PM
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A coin has two sides. That's what I've learned in 15 years as a journalist. The important thing to note is the context of the story. Whoever wrote the headline is playing on emotions to get more readers to read the story. It was given a "spin". If the headline was "3 out of 4 Germans think Nazi rule was mostly bad", would the story provoke the same reaction out of us?
I don't trust any poll results unless I can read the exact wording of the question and available answers. So many times leading questions are used to try to shape the outcome and specifically worded answers are provided to add to the subterfuge. Its like asking "do you still beat your wife?" and giving you only a yes or no answer.
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“High regard for the mother' under the Nazis.” “Family, children and motherhood, which were supported in the Third Reich, were subsequently done away with.”

A coin has two sides, indeed. Eva Herman paints a rather glamorous picture for us to gaze at, but here is a grotesque contrast of reality to their respect for motherhood:

This is a photo of Jewish women, some of whom are holding infants, and children who had been forced to strip and then wait in a line to be murdered by Ukrainian auxiliary police, an arm of German forces. Documentation: Democide: Nazi Genocide and Mass Murder. Source: "The Undeniable Holocaust." From Main Commission for the Investigation of Nazi War Crimes, Warsaw, Poland.

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~~~~~the older, more senior bracket~~~~~

Are these the ones who daren't answer the door in case it's Claude Lanzmann?
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Old October 18th, 2007, 05:16 PM
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it shows mankind has a short memory and that we have to be careful for the future. There will always be nostalgic people, but those who scare me are the young ones , because they just have no idea and would potentially be ready to believe the crap that some guru dictator could tell them.
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