In my opinion this is not so much about revenge as it is about starting over without forgeting the past. Very few of us know what true evil looks like. That does not fade away with age. I believe we should still be hunting these men down and should also push for Japanese war criminals. By looking the other way or rationalizing the non effort we diminish the memory of what has happened. Japan may be an allie but those men who are still alive need to answer for there actions. We need to remember that once a man has ignored anothers humanity he begins to lose his own.

My friend it is Eichman who had no right in orchestrating the systematic murder of an entire people, not the very same people who suffered so much under him and finally gave him his just reward.

There is no such thing as a perfect race.

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Israel obviously thirsts for Nazi blood, who can blame them though? The whole thing is and I'm not being anti-semitic by any means but isn't the Israeli government a little similar to the Third Reich? the very thing they go on and on about how evil it was. The Third Reich took the soil that was theirs, Germania took up all of modern day Europe in the Roman period, they had a unbeatable military force, they had harsh laws, and they returned attacks on their territory with brutal force. The invasion into Russia was to protect themselves from the bloshevik threat who were beant on communizing the Earth. -later the USA had the same problem as they did, Korea, Vietnam ect..... Patton even said we should invade Russia while our military is here.

Who is We ?

Do you know the difference between crimes against humanity and war crimes ?

Do you mean "we" must put an end to chasing all war criminal if one or more of them are not prosecuted ?

I'll assume you are kidding

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Ok, thats a personal opinion.


Ok, you now make me feel rather uncomfortable.

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Okay, you're going to have to paint me a picture on how the government of Israel is in any way like the Third Reich.
I'm guessing your next step is equate the death and concentration camps with the internment of the local Arabs in Israel who spend their time trying to blow up things?

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what? have you see a Roman era map of Europe? it says G E R M A N I A, I've taken Roman history classes. The "German hordes" were the Romans hardest enemy to defeat, Hitler was a big fan of the Romans as well, the Nazi salute is the same as the Roman army salute except the Nazis did it with their right hand.

With respect I really think you must be having a laugh because the map of Europe has always been in a constant state of flux. Just to pick a particular part point in History, which happens to be a rather considerably early part in history, is I my humble opinion quite dumb.

Sorry but I think you'll have to better than that.

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This is simply incorrect. It was Trotsky who was bent on spreading communism by means of war and we all know what happend to him.

The domino theory has already been proven wrong and only existed through U.S.'s paranoia

As for Patton.....PPSH!!!! He lost his job because of his big mouth and rightfully so, such comments during such fragile times could have only spelled disaster. While a competent commander his mouth was his biggest enemy.

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I have to disagree with you on this one, Slava. Organizations such as Comintern and Cominform did little to engender a feeling of "peaceful coexistence".

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Sloniksp you can't say that unless you go back in time and stop the Vietnam War, if we allowed the communists to march across the South whose to say the communists would have seen that as a sign of weakness? we wasted thousands of soldiers to protect one half of the country from the communists just like with Korea, the USA made it clear that it wasn't going to allow them to communize the Earth. But unlike the Nazis we didn't have the balls to annihilate communism at its source, Russia. Patton was a great General, one of the best Generals ever, how dare you belittle him like that, if it wasn't for people like him you would probably have a swastika flag flying over your head right now and saying this everyday,
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I agree with you von Rundstedt about Eichman.

that's not what I asked to you, you are totaly eluding my questions above
I don't think this last comment of you is antisemitic.

It's just the post before, where you assimilate crime against humanity and war crime and say that such criminals should be all left alone if they are not all prosecuted, that smelled funny...

@Pact : this is hilarious, more posts please

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So how old do you have to be before it's wrong to put you on trial? 80? 70? 60? At this rate there would be no point putting Hitler on trial if he was captured. Think also of the message, if you turn around now and say 'right, we aren't bothering with any of these people whatever heinous crimes they may have committed, they are now free!' Far better that the message be 'if you commit crimes against humaity you will never be safe, we will find you and you will face justice, you will eek out your final years fearing every knock on the door, every hostile glance and every car parked at the end of your street, then you will die' (and a part of me hopes you face a higher justice at the hands of those to whom you brought so much suffering).

To be honest I don't think there is any issue of justice or revenge, there some acts are way beyond such considerations. This goes for tyrants and evil men anywhere at any time, not just Nazi Germany.

Hate to jump in on this and I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but when you talk about 'Germans' claiming 'Germania' you may wish to remember that the 'Germanians' and the 'Germans' are quite different. For one thing as the Roman Empire was 'falling' the Germanic tribes were part of a massive eastward migration, mostly winding up in France and Britain. Of course the Germanic tribes were being pushed out by the Goths who were in turn being pushed by the Huns etc. So really, it's the French and British who should have been claiming Germany whilst the Germans should have been leaving Germany and moving back to Eastern Europe etc. Sadly any kind of 'we are only claiming land that was ours' theory dies when you start to look at it seriously, which provides a nice link back to Israel and the topic in hand, sorry for the OT spiel but I dislike flawed high-school history being touted as knowledge in this sense.

Firstly to 'communize' (sic) the earth has I believe a slightly different meaning to that which you intend. Secondly, Patton may have been a great general, he was also something of a fool where politics were concerned. Thirdly, Vietnam and Korea were essentially western medelling in civil wars, fall out from the decline of the Japanese and western empires as re-emerging nations attempted to establish themselves again.

Finally, the source of Communism was not Russia it was Germany (Karl Marx was after all born in Germany) via France and Britain.

Anyhow, keep going, this is really entertaining.

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Marx may have been born in Germany but his ideals were realized in Russia, and yes there was a communist party in Germany before the Nazis purged them. By the way Generals aren't politicians, and politicians need to stay out of wars and let the people who know how to run them run them. Thats part of the reason why the Vietnam War failed, and Hitler was actually in the military in WWI so it makes sense that he was in-charge.

But Germany did not find Eichman nor did it even bother to look for him ( if my memory serves me right )

Ummmm.... From my knowledge, a little guy named Ho Chi Minh ( just one of his names ), reached out to the West and was rejected by France, England and the United States.... He then reached out to Russia and China who provided him all which he needed and failed to receive from the West.

Ho Chi Minh - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As far as im concerned this post is nonsense.....Sorry.

Obviously you are not familiar with Karl Marx.

Karl Marx - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As for Patton being one of the "Best generals ever".... might very well be the case on the Western Front, anything more is just a personal opinion.

Oh and I loved the "Swastika flag flying on my head if it wasnt for Patton" remark... Please continue!!

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Hahahahahaha!!!! But no, really, you don't believe that do you? You don't honestly believe that Soviet Russia was what Marx WANTED to happen as an IDEAL? You have some gaps in your education mate.

Yes, and Britain and America and most other nations, in fact some of the first Communists were actually in Britain.

Right, and Generals need to stay out of politics and let the pople who (in theory know what the outcome will hopefully be) decide when to declare them. Soldiers fight, generals lead, politicians decide when.

Yup, and look how well he did! I take it you missed the fact that one of the Third Reichs greatest weaknesses was they had a corporal who thought he was a general in charge?

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whats your point by stating there were Nazi parties in America and Britain? they never overthrew the government or were elected to lead a country so your logic makes no sense on that one. Karl Marx ideals were realized in Communist Russia, I never said that the Soviet Unions military tactics or agression policies had anything to do with Karl Marx. Stefan once again you are taking what I say out of context then laughing at the very words you put in my mouth. Like I've said before yes Hitler controlled the armed forces but he did fight in World War I and received a Iron Cross medal, and he sure took most of Europe with ease. Oh and just because you have a thousand posts more than me doesn't mean you are anymore educated.

the Nazis rounding up of Jews and putting them in concentrations camps as a crime against humanity, then Israel is also guilty of the mass removal of Palestinains at gunpoint (in one 24 hour period 22,000 Palestinians at gunpoint were evicted from their homes) and forcebly evicting them and putting them in so called refugee (concentration) camps and then allowing the Israeli army to go into those camps to kill Palestinians, which they did. War crime against humanity works both ways.

exactly! and what about the Israelis targeting "terrorist strongholds" but end up killing hundreds of innocent civilians? how about Israeli tanks plowing down Palestinian homes in the Gaza strip? or how about their Gestapo tactics in Israel? I read a artical by a foreigner (non-Israeli) man living in Israel who happened to have a brother living in Palenstein who was "suspected" of being a terrorist, dozens of military police broke into his home late at night, stuck guns in the faces of his two kids, broke his door down and grabbed him and his wife hand-cuffed them without telling them anything and put black cloth around their heads and stuffed it into their mouths so they couldn't speak. He spent two days in a cell before they deported him to the USA as a "enemy combatant." -which the USA ended up saying he wasn't and let him go free.