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March 21st, 2008, 09:49 PM
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Re: A darker view of 'hero' Churchill
^^^^^^^^
"thus endeth the lesson"

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March 21st, 2008, 10:06 PM
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Re: A darker view of 'hero' Churchill
From the Movie "The Producers",
Franz Liebkind: You know, not many people know zis, but der F¸hrer was a terrific dancer.
Max Bialystock: Really? Gee, we didn't know that, did we, Leo?
Leo Bloom: No, we sure didn't.
Franz Liebkind: THAT'S BECAUSE YOU WERE TAKEN IN BY THE BBC! Filthy British lies! But did they ever say a bad word about Winston Churchill? CHURCHILL!
[ gags]
Franz Liebkind: With his cigars, and his brandy, and his ROTTEN paintings! ROTTEN! Hitler, there was a painter! He could paint an entire apartment in one afternoon! Two coats!
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March 21st, 2008, 10:08 PM
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Re: A darker view of 'hero' Churchill
Brian and Stewie are on a German tour bus]
German Tour Guide: You vill find more on Germany’s contributions to ze arts in ze pamphlets ve have provided.
Brian Griffin: Yeah, about your pamphlet… uh, I’m not seeing anything about German history between 1939 and 1945. There’s just a big gap.
Tour guide: Everyone vas on vacation. On your left is Munich’s first city hall, erected in 15…
Brian Griffin: Wait, what are you talking about? Germany invaded Poland in 1939 and…
Tour Guide: We were invited. Punch vas served. Check vit Poland.
Brian Griffin: You can’t just ignore those years. Thomas Mann fled to America because of Nazism’s stranglehold on Germany.
Tour guide: Nope, nope. He left to manage a Dairy Queen.
Brian Griffin: A Dairy Queen? That’s preposterous.
Tour guide: I vill hear no more insinuations about the German people. Nothing bad happened. Sie werden sich hinsetzen. Sie werden ruhig sein. Sie werden nicht beleidigen Deutschland. You will sit down. You will shut up. You will not insult Germany. [Throws his hand up in a Hitler salute.]
Brian Griffin: Uh, is that a beer hall?
Tour guide: [Snapping out of it] Oh yes, Munich is renowned for its historic beer halls.
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March 21st, 2008, 10:15 PM
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Re: A darker view of 'hero' Churchill
I apologize if my comments insulted any of you. I would never post anything with the intention of hurting people's feelings.
So Churchill is the good guy and Hitler is the bad guy? Is that what you all want to hear?
Hitler did what he did because he thought it was in the best interest of the German people. I respect his courage to carry out his patriotic beliefs, and I respect the party for following the fuhrer to the very end.
With that said, i however don't like many of his ways of carrying out those ideas. He could have approached many problems in a more humane manner. He could have handled the war more wisely. He sinned greatly against many people for the well being of Germany, which could have been avoided. So yes, he was a fool in that regard. But his failures don't make him any less of a patriot, and any patriot is a hero.
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March 21st, 2008, 10:36 PM
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Re: A darker view of 'hero' Churchill
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Holland was only invaded because of its geographic position. It wasn't Hilter's fault that a tiny contry existed between Germany and France.
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Possibly the most ( unintentionally ? ) humorous posting I've seen on the Forum in ages. Very good !  But people whose IQ breaks into double figures should be aware that the originator of the post is only kidding......
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March 21st, 2008, 10:40 PM
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people whose IQ breaks into double figures should be aware that the originator of the post is only kidding......
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Thank you very much for insulting me.
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March 21st, 2008, 11:04 PM
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So Churchill is the good guy and Hitler is the bad guy?
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Did Churchill send millions of people to the gas chambers?
I'm yet to find something that Hitler did that was good for the world.
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March 21st, 2008, 11:49 PM
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Re: A darker view of 'hero' Churchill
wow, this just keeps getting better......you say that Hitler did what he did for Germany, how did killing 13 million innocent civilians help Germany? Recently I was able to talk with a woman who survived a concentration camp, guess what!? She was German, born and raised, she was thrown into the camp because of her comments against, not Germany, but hitler! I'm sorry my friend, but hitler did what he did, because it was all about him, and his view of what Germany should be. His view, not the average German citizens view. They were brainwashed by, apparently the same propaganda you are reading.
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March 22nd, 2008, 12:04 AM
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Re: A darker view of 'hero' Churchill
Yes, Hitler made many mistakes. But sending political opponents to the concentration camps was not one of them. Germany could only be strong when its people are united, and Hitler made sure that end was achieved.
"A House Divided Against Itself Cannot Stand" - Matt. 12:25
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March 22nd, 2008, 12:05 AM
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Re: A darker view of 'hero' Churchill
Ironcross, how old are you?
Seriously, because you sound like a kid whose maybe been misled, told a bunch of lies and toned down half truths by a bunch of skinheads. Are you a skinhead? because let me tell you partner, speaking as someone who used to be a skinhead 20+ years ago? It's all a crock man, you've been lied to.
Bob Sweeney: There was a moment... when I used to blame everything and everyone... for all the pain and suffering and vile things that happened to me, that I saw happen to my people. Used to blame everybody. Blamed white people, blamed society, blamed God. I didn't get no answers 'cause I was asking the wrong questions. You have to ask the right questions.
Derek Vinyard: Like what?
Bob Sweeney : Has anything you've done made your life better?
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March 22nd, 2008, 12:07 AM
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Re: A darker view of 'hero' Churchill
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I have to concur with Joe; Hitler was hellbent on the destruction of the Jews, Russians, the mentally and physically challenged, a whole plethora of what he called "subhumans" that were -in his eyes- good for nothing more than slave labor. How can you negotiate with a man who ordered the murder of millions?
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Hitler's crime is losing the war for Germany. Genghis Khan murdered more than Hitler did, but he is still worshiped by his people to this day. Why, you might ask. Because he WON.
How can you negotiate with a man who murdered millions? How did Churchill negotiate with Stalin? How did Nixon negotiate with Mao?
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March 22nd, 2008, 12:13 AM
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Re: A darker view of 'hero' Churchill
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Yes, Hitler made many mistakes. But sending political opponents to the concentration camps was not one of them. Germany could only be strong when its people are united, and Hitler made sure that end was achieved.
"A House Divided Against Itself Cannot Stand" - Matt. 12:25
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ok i didn't say that she was a political opponent, she just spoke out against him, as for his political opponents, he took care of them on "the night of 1000 knives" ever heard of that?
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March 22nd, 2008, 12:18 AM
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Re: A darker view of 'hero' Churchill
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ever heard of that?
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Yes, I have. Thank you for asking.
So she spoke out against Hitler, and yet she agreed with his policies? No, she disagreed with his policies and therefore she was a political opponent of Hilter. If all the political opponents was taken care of in one night, then why did the Gestapo exist? Civilians, too, can oppose the government's policies, and that makes them political opponents of the government.
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March 22nd, 2008, 12:25 AM
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So far, I have not been successful at getting any intelligent reply from Iron Cross on any other topic other than ????
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I think Carl said it best!
Thanks Carl!! 
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March 22nd, 2008, 12:29 AM
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I think Carl said it best!
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March 22nd, 2008, 12:32 AM
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Ironcross, how old are you?
Seriously, because you sound like a kid whose maybe been misled, told a bunch of lies and toned down half truths by a bunch of skinheads. Are you a skinhead? because let me tell you partner, speaking as someone who used to be a skinhead 20+ years ago? It's all a crock man, you've been lied to.
Bob Sweeney: There was a moment... when I used to blame everything and everyone... for all the pain and suffering and vile things that happened to me, that I saw happen to my people. Used to blame everybody. Blamed white people, blamed society, blamed God. I didn't get no answers 'cause I was asking the wrong questions. You have to ask the right questions.
Derek Vinyard: Like what?
Bob Sweeney : Has anything you've done made your life better?
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No, I am not a skinhead. If you disagree with me, please tell me why. The reason why I joined this forum was to learn. I can't learn anything if everyone is just going to mock me and say meaningless things.
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March 22nd, 2008, 12:36 AM
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Re: A darker view of 'hero' Churchill
Aaaaaaaaand closed.
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March 22nd, 2008, 01:32 AM
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Re: A darker view of 'hero' Churchill
Personal insults are not appropriate for any reason. You may disagree with someones' point of view, but always keep things civil.
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