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  1. Takao

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    Who would want to terrorize terrorists? Well, let me think...Normally, I would say the US, but here were are more concerned with arming the terrorists than terrorizing them.

    Of course, we can say the same thing concerning the US...But, most do not want to hear that.

    Not exactly sure how Trump selling the Saudis weapons is going to help Trump meet his maker...Or is this a case of giving the Devil his due.

    Meh...They thin their herds by "stoning the Devil", we thin our herds by "getting stoned with the Devil." Personally, I think our way is more efficient...
    Hajj deaths approx. 2000 per year vs. US drug OD deaths 40,000 per year.

    Their idiots...Our idiots...Or just idiots in general?

    Psst...Pops. Helpful hint: It was the Leftys and the Rightys, not just the Leftys.
     
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    Umm, you might want to review the Supreme Court case law on the 1st Amendment...or is it that you have the cock-eyed notion that ww2f is an entity of the U.S. government?

    By all means, if you cannot tolerate this sites intolerance of hate speech, then don't let the door hit your ass on the way out...
     
  3. Takao

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    Poppy cannot comprehend reading the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution, let alone comprehend reviewing case law on it...

    For instance:

    Congress shall make no law...

    Thankfully, WW2F is not Congress, although maybe we would all be better off if it were.
     
  4. wm.

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    Trump's salary will go to repair Civil War battlefield at Antietam

    President Trump's first-quarter salary donation of $78,333 will go toward preserving the Civil War battlefield at Antietam, Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke announced Wednesday.
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    Zinke was joined by representatives from Antietam, the Civil War Trust, the National Park Foundation and the Save Historic Antietam Foundation in making the announcement.

    President Trump donated the first quarter of his presidential salary in early April, totalling $78,333. The Interior Department said that after Trump donated his salary to the National Park Service, anonymous donors sent money for the agency to use in preserving the nation's historic parks, which are suffering from a $12 billion maintenance backlog.

    The Interior Department said an "anonymous donor pledged $22,000 to bring the president's $78,333 donation to an even $100,000."



    Trump Admin Stands With Israel Against U.N. Bid to Delegitimize Jewish State

    The Trump administration is taking aim at a United Nations body that is trying to deny Israel's sovereignty over holy sites in Jerusalem and the West Bank, according to a letter by U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley obtained by the Washington Free Beacon.

    The United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) is set to vote this week on a resolution proclaiming that Israel has no sovereignty over Jerusalem, its capital city, and a holy site located in Hebron, which is part of the West Bank.

    The U.S. and Israeli governments have long criticized UNESCO for waging what they claim is a politically motivated effort to use its power in an attempt to delegitimize the Jewish state and remove key territories from its possession.

    The United States cut taxpayer funding to UNESCO after the organization accepted Palestine as a member state, a move that violated U.S. law barring the funding of any U.N. group that skirts the peace process by prematurely admitting Palestine as a full member nation.

    UNESCO's latest resolution - which was spearheaded by the Palestinians and is likely to be approved by the body's majority of Arab nations - seeks to add the Tomb of the Patriarchs, a religious holy site located in Hebron, to its list of World Heritage Sites in Danger, a designation insinuating Israel poses a danger to the site.

    The Trump administration is urging nations to vote against the resolution, which it views as anti-Israel and politically driven.



    Chibok Girls And Trump Appear In Unannounced Photo Op

    The White House usually picks a photo of the day. On June 28, the image they chose showed two girls from Nigeria who were abducted in 2014 by Boko Haram but managed to escape: Joy Bishara and Lydia Pogu. They're flanked by President Donald Trump and his daughter, Ivanka Trump. The photo had been taken the day before.

    Trump is giving a thumbs up.

    The meeting was not publicized in advance. NPR's White House correspondent Tamara Keith says the administration didn't notify the press corps about it, it didn't appear on the White House daily schedule and it was not discussed in any of that day's briefings.

    Wead said the girls had some issues they wanted to discuss privately with the president, but neither he nor the girls would share details about what was said during the ten-minute meeting. Bishara did note that Ivanka hugged her and the President Trump smiled and said, 'God bless you, too."

    And she and Pogu got a White House tour.



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    Joy Bishara, Lydia Pogu and hundreds others Christians were kidnapped by Boko Haram as punishment for their faith, and for their adherence to Western liberal values. Today they continue their education in a Christian school in the US.



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  5. wm.

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    Trump Warsaw Speech to Focus on Poland's National Example

    President Donald Trump leaves for Europe Wednesday morning ahead of the Group of 20 summit in Hamburg Friday and Saturday. But instead of starting off with meetings with the leaders of traditional allies of the United Kingdom, France, and Germany, the president will first travel to our NATO ally Poland.
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    The speech, still being finalized, is being written by top speechwriter Stephen Miller and two additional writers on Miller's team. One source tells me Tony Dolan, the former speechwriter for Ronald Reagan, is advising the White House on both the trip and the speech.
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    I’m told Trump’s address in Warsaw will be an “uplifting speech” that will focus on Poland’s history of perseverance and its national identity. There will be a contrast, with some degree of subtlety, between the Polish example and what Trump perceives as a globalist outlook embraced by leaders in Western Europe.

    After conducting official meetings with the leaders of Poland and Croatia in Warsaw Thursday, Trump will travel to Hamburg, where he will have a bilateral meeting with German chancellor Angela Merkel.

    On Friday, Trump will also hold a much anticipated bilateral meeting with Russian president Vladimir Putin, the first personal meeting between the two leaders. Across Friday and Saturday at the G20, Trump will also have bilateral meetings with the leaders of the United Kingdom, France, China, Japan, South Korea, Canada, Mexico, Singapore, and Indonesia.
     
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    You have to hand it to Trump and his "Fake News", "Alternative Facts", and "Not News."

    Donny "magnanimously" donates his 1st Quarter salary of $78,333 to a national park...But, his budget proposal cuts funding to the Department of the Interior, that government agency that runs the national parks, by about 1.5 Billion! Shame the Post article does not mention that fact.

    Further, the Post article cheerfully states that
    However, the article makes no mention of a following Zinke statement
    Finally, the article pays scant attention to the fact that the Civil War Trust, the National Park Foundation, and Save Historic Antietam Foundation have donated over double the amount that Donny has $163,545.


    Ahh, yes more "Not News"...
    This is, what, the fourth UNESCO resolution against Israel and it's occupation of Jerusalem in two years. The previous ones have all passed, with the most recent passing in May, 2017, despite Trump's disapproval of it, and a letter from all 100 US Senators against the passing of the Resolution.

    Here is what will happen...The resolution will pass, the US and Israel will get indignant, and the US and Israel will withhold even more funds than they already have.
    Fourth verse, same as the first.


    They have only been in the US since 2014...Thankfully, Donny did not take this opportunity to grope these young women.
    Ahh, yes...Uniting us.
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  7. Takao

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    Trump is just setting himself up for an easy win by playing a Minor League team, before playing real hardball with the Majors...
     
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    The Civil War Trust is a private, charitable organization, a grass root movement, it's predecessor (APCWS) was created by a group of historians.

    It has nothing to do with the government, and with The National Park Foundation.
    It's not a part of the huge, sprawling government bureaucracy (22 million people, government employees outnumber manufacturing employees 1.8 to 1 !!!) that badly needs huge cuts before they choke the economy to death.


    The point is just a half year ago the mainstream media claimed he was a Hitler-like, anti-Semite, and it seems it wasn't quite true.
    Who cares about the UNESCO - full of bureaucrats, failed politicians, and rent seekers.


    They have and the former president didn't have time to meet with them, despite the inane and offensive to the victims outburst of pointless virtue signaling initiated by his wife.
     
  9. Takao

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    Yet another point goes far over your head...

    Question: Why is supposed "billionaire" donating a measly $78k worthy of headlines. When private charitable organizations donate twice as much, but this is worthy of only one sentence?
    Answer: "Fake News". Something than Donny claims to hate, but is more than willing to use it when it suits his needs.


    No, no...They claimed, and rightly so, that Donny was an insensitive buffoon. Which, he is.


    The former President did not ever have an approval rating as low as Donny's is...Hence, no need for a smarmy Photo Op.
     
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    The former president wasn't constantly under attack by the entire mainstream American media, stuffed to the hilt with Democratic Party's operatives, deploying all their propaganda weapons against him, all fake news they could find.




    Trump is maybe a buffoon or an arrogant person, in this he is no different from other Americans. The only difference is he doesn't hide his personality behind a mask, as all the other Washingtonian swamp creatures, including the narcissistic Barack Obama do. Doesn't do virtue signalling, doesn't pay lip service to naive progressive values.

    In last few months he did for the US more than his predecessor for his entire life.
    He is upholding and supporting American values and freedoms, he prioritizes the American economy, not the well being of moss, trouts, and other cute squirrels. he's doing something about the sprawling bureaucracy.
    Maybe he's a dirty pig, but this pig fights.
     
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    In meantime in Warsaw:

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    No, and neither is the federal government as you imply. The actual figure is 2,680,172 full-time equivalent employees, plus 1,403,641 uniformed military. Meanwhile, State and local government employed 14,425,359. The figure of "21,995,000" tossed about so often that you rounded to 22 million includes all federal, state, and local full-time, part-time, and seasonal employees, as well as uniformed military. In fact, federal employment (excluding military) as of 1Q2015 (the most recent data point) is the lowest (c. 0.83%) it has been as a percentage of population since 1960.
     
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    Certainly, in the US there is the central government and there are local governments, people are subject to three levels of government: federal, state, and local
    But it changes nothing, the total number of bureaucrats counts, not the form of government.
    Nobody is saying government is evil. But too much bureaucrats, rules, regulations, permits is too much.

    A small example, the Cape Wind Project, an offshore wind farm, needed sixteen years to get all the required approvals: local, state and federal. And the project most likely will fail anyway because of the sixteen years of waiting and bleeding money.
    How many years it took to defeat the Nazis or the Japanese?
     
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    If you want to know why Donald Trump will go down in history as a great president, listen to [...] his speech in Krasinski Square, Warsaw today.

    Yes, there is a lot of the usual diplomatic persiflage [...] But be an adult and distinguish the gem from the setting. While the anti-Trump press was busy running stories warning about “unease in Brussels” over Trump’s visit to Poland, Trump once again totally outflanked his critics. Those who have ears, let them hear:

    1. The United States is absolutely committed to securing Poland’s access to alternative sources of energy. Now, to whom do you think that was addressed? What country would use access to oil and gas as political blackmail (do what we say or you can’t warm your homes, light your streets, run your factories)? Who would do such a thing?

    2. The United States is absolutely committed to its trans-Atlantic partnership. That partnership, said Trump in his aspirational mode, has never been stronger: suitably translated, that means that he wishes to assure that it will never be stronger. It was a proffered hand. Will the EU bureaucrats reach out and grasp it?

    3. Speaking of bureaucrats, Trump also—mirabile dictu—warned about “steady creep of government bureaucracy” that, left unchecked, saps a people's will and makes the flourishing of individual initiative, the very marrow of freedom, impossible. [...]

    4. Trump reaffirmed his absolute commitment to Article 5 of the NATO agreement -- the bit that pledges members to “collective defense”: an attack on one member is an attack on all. He praised Poland for stepping up to meet its statutory financial commitment to NATO and urged other European countries to do the same. A strong NATO means a strong Europe.

    5. Trump reaffirmed his commitment to battle against “radical Islamic terrorism” and other forms of extremism and highlighted his call in Riyadh in May for Muslim countries to step up and help quash the violence of jihad.

    6. He noted other challenges faced by the West, including cyber-warfare and Russia’s “destabilizing activities” in Ukraine, Syria, and Iran.

    7. But the best part came about three-quarters of the way through. After reminding his audience about the million people who gathered to hear John Paul II celebrate Mass in 1979, he asked: what did the people want? Answer: “We want God.” This led into the heart of Trump’s speech. The prerequisite for the success of Western civilization is not material riches. Economic prosperity and military might on their own are not sufficient. The critical leaven is the confidence in core Western values: such things as free speech, the equality of women, respect for individual rights, the rule of law, the affirmation of faith and family. Hence, the “fundamental question” facing Western nations today is whether the people continue to nurture the cultural self-confidence in those fundamental values. If they do, the West is unbeatable. If those values dissipate, the West is lost. “As long as we know our history,” Trump said, “we will know how to build our future.” [...]
    Not since Ronald Reagan has an American president gone so clearly to the nub of what makes the West great and what threatens that greatness.

    The "we want God" Mass, 1979:
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    The fact that Trump can occasionally make a speech without tripping over his tongue is hardly an indicator that he will be considered a "great" or even a mediocre president. What got him elected is that many suspected that he would make a better president than Clinton. That's a pretty low bar. Indeed if I had to name the worse major party candidates for president in the history of the republic Clinton and Trump would be among my top 5 candidates and I'd have to think hard about the others. Trump is well on his way to becoming one of if not the worse presidents in history.
     
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    Since he lies 90% of the time, which 90% x 7 = ..77.of the statements is truthful?
     
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    [...] the stage is being set for a clash between progressive European values and American cold-heartedness – but there are two problems with the general idea. The first is that many EU leaders are coming around to Mr Trump's way of thinking, and the other is that, in many areas, European popular opinion is firmly on his side.

    Take his notorious decision to ban immigration from various Muslim countries. Even to raise such a proposal would shock most of those at the G20, and it's generally taken to be a policy that proves the blackness of Mr Trump's heart.

    But if European voters disagree with him, it's more likely to be because they don't think he goes far enough. A survey by Chatham House this year showed that a majority in Austria, France, Germany, Greece and Italy would support a blanket ban on all immigration from Muslim countries. In Poland, which Mr Trump visited first, almost three quarters of the public would back a ban.

    This does filter through into politics. A few weeks ago, Slovakia's prime minister declared that Islam has "no place" in his country. The Czech Republic has told the EU it will not take any Muslim asylum seekers.

    Mark Rutte only won re-election in the Netherlands after telling immigrants to "behave normally or go away". They might not say this on Twitter, but the language is as shocking as anything coming out of the White House.

    When it comes to building walls against neighbours, Mr Trump should spend his time at the G20 today looking for tips. Macedonia built a wall with Greece last year, Lithuania is fencing off Russia's Kaliningrad exclave, and Norway is building a wall to keep out those making the rather heroic journey over its Arctic border with Russia.

    Brazil, also a G20 member, has gone for a "virtual" wall, monitored by drones and satellites, around its 16,000-kilometre border. So you can disagree with Mr Trump's plan to build a wall, but it's hard to dismiss the idea as crazy.

    Since the fall of the Berlin Wall, some 40 countries have built fences against 60 neighbours. The nation state is back in demand, as are walls: both are seen as useful tools to help manage a new era of mass immigration. The EU's idea of borderless travel was invented when net migration was at a fraction of today's levels. Now, we see chaos. For some Europeans, even a wall is not enough: Austria has been talking about deploying soldiers and armoured vehicles against migrants who might come over from Italy. Enough to shock even Mr Trump.

    On trade, it's unclear what Mrs Merkel – or any EU leader – has to teach. Trump's "America first" trade policy simply mimics the Europe-first protectionism that has defined the EU since its inception. Trump has at least decided to keep NAFTA, the free trade deal with Canada and Mexico. The EU struggles to agree deals with any of its major trading partners; this week's much-feted agreement with Japan is only an ''outline''. And the US has been quicker than the EU to start free trade negotiations with Britain; talks start this month.

    The difference is, mainly, one of language. The EU talks about being globally minded, while practising shameless protectionism. Trump boasts about his protectionism, while not (so far) managing to do very much of it.

    Even on climate change, Mr Trump is not the villain that he pretends to be. He walked out of the Paris Agreement, but America's record is – and continues to be – strikingly impressive. Thanks to the fracking energy revolution, and ever-more efficient cars and machinery, the per capita carbon emissions in the US are now at levels not seen since the 1960s. The work might have been done by basic consumer demand rather than government diktats, but the US is doing rather well with marrying economic growth and decarbonisation.
     
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    Looks to me like you are plagiarizing again. A hot link is not really acceptable as giving credit to the source.
     
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    But still when Historian is doing it it's ok.

    A hotlink is a hyperlink to a media file that bypasses any html pages that would identify the site or earn it advertising revenue.
    I don't link to media files so the statement is wrong for this (but not only) reason.

    According to the doctrine of fair use it's permissible to quote even large parts of someone's work as long as it's done for nonprofit educational purposes.

    Additionally it's not my invention, I merely emulate in this Glenn Reynolds, one of the first political bloggers in the US (and a distinguished professor of law), and actually many other bloggers, and many websites including such important and large as Slashdot.
     
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    Actually, it is all relative to the size of the population...

    For, you see, Poland has even more bureaucrats, rules, regulations, permits, etc. than the US does. Because, they have more of a percentage of their population on the government payroll.

    Thank you Sean Spicer for posting this lie...Ooops! I'm sorry...Fake News. Sorry, but your statement is a massive load of BS.

    "The Cape Wind Project is certainly not an example of this"...Only if you are a permanent resident of Donny Trump's fantasy land...

    For you see, all pre-construction permits were obtained by 2009, and all permits were obtained by 2011. Thus I am wondering why you have claimed that 16 years were required? So, why did you state such an obvious falsehood/lie?

    Your blaming the "government" for this "failure" is a most egregious error. The fault lies with the people, you know, private citizens, who have filed a seemingly unending number of legal challenges to the project. Some of these citizens have very familiar last names, such as Koch and Kennedy, while others would go unrecognized outside of friends and family. There was also an Native American Indian tribe or two that filed lawsuits against the project. As a result of these many law suits, only a limited amount of construction was done before being halted. With no construction, all of those "required" permits expired and were not renewed. The many court entanglements caused the financial backer to bail on the project in 2015.

    Looks like .wm/sean spicer has has never heard of the acronym "NIMBY."
     
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