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Discussion in 'The Stump' started by A-58, Sep 17, 2013.

  1. Terry D

    Terry D Well-Known Member

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    I am totally opposed to secession in any form in this country. I don't care if a red state does it or a blue state, they would both be in the wrong and would both deserve to get in the neck from the Federal government. The Civil War settled this, just as it settled slavery.
     
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    Just found this wonderful thread!!! As one born in Alabama and dutifully recall marching to the cemetery on Confederate Memorial Day and singing Dixie as a first grader, I vaguely recall our last attempt at secession ,. If one drives through our state you might see enough Confederate flags to wonder who won. The inconvenient fact that I believe we are still the 4th poorest state in what passes for the Union, and those ranked higher....or lower depending on how you see it, notwithstanding, I am content to stay in what remains our country as a singular place. . It is notable in our glorious/inglorious history that one county in Alabama seceded from the Confederacy, Winston, and on paper , remained in the Union.! Not that I am remotely anti-Rebel, I sold my Confederate sword collection to help pay for college tuition which in turn lead to my livelihood for half of my life so those 5-600,000 folks that died in "The War" did not do so totally in vain..

    Yep, not a rebel yell, I will stick with the somewhat currently beraggled Union.. . I do not want that fat guy Christie from New Jersey sashaying down hear ( a deliberate typo) as a carpetbagger telling us how to run our state.

    To paraphrase Forrest Gump, that is all I have to say on that subject !!
     
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    Thanks, KB........That guy has a kindly face !!!, He would not hurt a fly!

    Interesting aside. Wilson's raid started on the Tennessee river near Florence, Al. Eventually gotb to Selma, small battle, burned arsenal, moved East to Montgomery, through Auburn where I lived now, burned the arsenal at Columbus then meet up with Sherman in Atlanta. His mounted troopers carried Spencer carbines, seven shot repeaters shooting a strange 56 caliber rimfire.

    In my life I found one in Selma, one about 30 miles south of there and another in Opelika, next to Auburn. Within 110 miles of each other. I always gathered they were from Wilson's raiders but he lost few men and only modest fighting. Could not obtain a single one.

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  5. belasar

    belasar Court Jester

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    Secession is a political statement and in 1860 it was very definitely a regional movement, today our politics is urban/rural in nature. If it happened today it would be a slew of Blue city states and a large red mass across the continent.
     
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    A-58 Cool Dude

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    This damn yankee was the first headmaster at LSU.

    If California did secede from the US, I figure that northern and central California would secede from southern California and either form their own state and stay in the union or merge with the conservative part of Oregon and form a new state. Lots of odd folks on the left coast. Maybe Seattle will leave too. They can go to Canada. It's already fonked up as it is.
     
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    Stumped for an answer here in UK with regional differences re Brexit. Some Scots want to be independent yet stay in the EU. I think that a revolution is necessary in western democracies to determine our future progress and it may well entail war and violence. People are angry at the widening gap between rich and poor and the fact that those in power, whether government or banking, appear to do what they like, for their own gain and to the detriment of their citizens, yet not be held to account. Even better, they are given bonuses??? Anarchy sounds appealing as an alternative.
     
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    A-58 Cool Dude

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    Remember the Reign of Terror over in France.
     
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    Napoleon or Hitler?
     
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    Geez now that you mention it like that, either one sucks the big one. But my mention of the Reign of Terror was in reference to the period during/after the French Revolution when it seemed like a lot of people were getting the guillotine for just about any reason they could come up with at the moment. I guess that I should have been a bit more specific with my specifics.
     
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    I thought Napoleon brought an end to the Reign of Terror.
     
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    A-58 Cool Dude

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    He came along towards the end of that time frame I believe. Not sure if he was made 1st Consul by then or not.
     
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    I looked again and he was one of the consuls. I guess he just put the house in order as it were.
     
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    Well I would have had a warm feeling inside seeing the Board of Wachovia Bank being carted off to the Guillotine !!!!
     
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    My hero, and I mean that seriously.
     
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    Shhhh! There's southerners around...
     
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    Damn yankees.
     
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    If he was responsible for the god awful colors on their uniforms the you might have just cause for regret.
     
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    "Grant stood by me when I was crazy, and I stood by him when he was drunk, and now we stand by each other." William Tecumseh Sherman

    How can you not love a guy like that?
     
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    A-58 Cool Dude

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    The actual colors are supposed to be purple and old gold, not that canary yellow they have now. Not sure how that all got twisted up, but it sure is gaudy looking.

    old gold:

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    Of course when ole Tecumseh was el jefe, the colors were grey.

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