The US presidential campaign

Politics is always full of lies… but what lie is worse?

'I did not have sex with that woman…'

or

'Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction'



To hell with Georgie and his co-president… I'm glad Kerry came out well of the debate. Another two rounds like those and bye-bye Georgie.

 

Hell, sure, politics are full of lies, but I guess no one died when bill lied - right? Maybe it's me - but a lie is a lie - it's a matter of character - we should expect more from our leaders. No weapons of MD? Did W "lie" or make a mistake - it hasn't been made clear to me - didn't the russians and Brits have the same intel?

 

Clinton lied, indeed, but about something no one but himself should care of!

Bush lied about taking his country to an unnecesary war. In 2001 he, Powell and Rice had assured that Saddam didn't have the capabilities of developing WMD. Two years later, he could!

Now we see he couldn't, as they had said. And once people found out about the misgiding, misjudgement or mistake about the WMD, they simply didn't accept they were wrong, now they came and said that their intention was 'liberating' Iraq, something the US nor anyone else —not even the UN— have the right to do.

 

I don't want to sound like I'm comparing lies - Bush is a moron who couldn't lead his way out of a paperbag. But, frankly, what Clinton lied about is very important to me. It speaks to character, commitment, loyalty and honor - things that maybe no one cares about anymore, and maybe I'm too oldfashioned - but if I can't trust my president to be true to his oath to his wife - a deeply personal and intimate bond - then why should I trust him with his commitments to the People? Maybe I should wake up and accept it?

 

Drache,

Though I don't think the same way you do, I do respect your vision, which I think is very coherent and valid, and it certainly speaks very well about you as a person.
Thanks for the response.

 

apparently most of u have never visited the mid-east ?

yes there were wmd's or whatever you want to call them. they were shipped out rather speedily to places known but the worlds media has not been on just where they are hidden.

Gents accept as fact they are still there and at this time there many hidden adjendas that we do not have any clue about..........or at least the present government is not telling us and this is quite common when a country is in a stae of war. And yes we are in a state of war.

tootles for now

E ~

 

If there were the Pentagon then must know it, since it was Reagan who sold them to Saddam.

 

of course they do but maybe they don't. Are you familiar with any other secretive organizations that are independent of the Pentagon > just to let you know there are...... sorry will not reveal any sources

 

Yet the whole world was 'with'us in Desert Storm when Iraq invaded a little country no one knew existed.Why no up-roar over Bosnia,Somalia or Panama? Or the newest country to play around with Nuc's,Iran.We[the US citizens]had NO say in this 'war' just as we had no say in whom the Republican or Democratic candidate would be.Each party selected their own runner so now we've no-one worth a damn to pick.

 

and we sure don't want Nader. Talk about a screwed up guy.......

 

Perhaps acquiring Nukes is the only way some states can make themselves feel a 'match' for the USA. Although I see Isreal bought a load of heavy duty bunker busters off the USA recently... Just the thing to drop on Iranian nuclear bunkers...

I read on Yahoo! News today that the US goverment is now admitting that the Iraq - Al-queda links are very suspect and 'not what they thought'... Whatever that means...

Makes you wonder why poor old Blair is in hospital having treatment for his dicky ticker! Perhaps he found out something we dont know?

I think Erich is right. There is just so much we dont know. Look at WW2, how much of that is still classified? Lets face it, we are only ever gonna hear what 'they' want to tell us...

As for the choice of President...

GOOD LUCK!

They both seem pretty awful from where I am standing! As much as it pains me to admit, perhaps Bush would be the better option as he probably has more capable people controlling him than Kerry (who seems a bit of a non-entity), but I see Bush as a puppet for a much more organised set of people (his Dad???) who just push him out in front of a lecturn and tell him what to say and cring when he makes a mess of it!

Nobody take offence, my comments are very tongue in cheek, but you get my general idea...

But I cant say I would be particuarly pleased with either option if I lived in the USA. But then I left the UK cos of the prat who is named Blair...

Whatever happened to the 'old-school' politicians? Bring back Thatcher or Churchill! Thats what I say!

 

Hi Red. I read the same thing about Israel/Iran thing.I'm interested in how the UK 'elects'someone.I was against this WMD sideshow from the beginning.Afganistan was supposed to be the war.Anyone heard anything from there recently?

 

If there were the Pentagon then must know it, since it was Reagan who sold them to Saddam. </font>[/QUOTE]I'm sorry guys, i'm done with this, and i am about to upset many, but General, i can not stand you. Don't you have something to surrender to?
It doesnt bother for you to respond to this because I'm not returning to the forums. But I don't know where you get the nerve to sit there and talk about our president that way, and i've been sitting by watching you take pokes and jabs, hey just because Bush made you french bastards look like pussy ass idiots doesnt mean that he did wrong, hate him and me all you want, but i never have and never will support kerry, this is why...
if you dont like it then use that tounge ring of yours to good use and suck my ****. I can't stand liberal brain washed idiots, that can over look all of his flip flops, and bull ****. I'm sorry but if i supported communism and the vietcong i could never run for anything, and yet he cooked up a story to recieve a third purple heart so he could be shipped home, to do exactly what i just said? this is pathetic! Bush didn't lie about ****, he may have made a mistake going into iraq but I'm sure that if you were living in Iraq that you wouldnt want saddam in power either. just because you live in a country thats free because of brave men that died for you doesnt mean that you can discrace the efforts by sitting there and calling the leaders of the countries they fought for idiots and morons. NO i'm not just refering to soldiers from the US, i am also refering to soldiers from England, Canada, Poland, and even Russia. Do i think that the USA is the best country in the world? No, would i rather live anywhere else? No this is my home and i will fight to preserve the values and freedoms that so many have died to give me and my family. next time you open your frenchy faggot ass mouth stop and think about what you're going to say. and just rememember, next time you guys want help you can KISS MY ASS!

 

Please close this thread.

 

Well, the Liberal system you live in provides you with the freedom to dislike me.

Facts and truth.

Worse for you. This place about WWII has no equal in the net.

First of all, I'm free to think whatever-the-hell I want, specially if they didn't come from no-where.

Second, I can call the President of the United States as I want. But I have not generalised and I have not been disrespectful with the American people —even if I have the right— as you, ignorantly have done with the French people, simply because I don't think that way because I know there are good Americans out there, they're not all like yourself or moron Georgie.

I'm not responding to this because I simply am not brain-washed and because you simply don't know what-the-hell the term 'liberal' means.

And you simply have no idea where I am from, where do I live, what language do I speak or what is my nationality, and even less, my cultural background. So, don't assume I'm an 'ungrateful-Frenchie' who insults the heroes that liberated France in 44. I am not. Tell me where have I insulted any veteran or when have I badly expressed about Americans as a whole?

You've just showed the precise intollerance of idiotic 'conservatives' like Bush, who simply cannot stand people who exercise their rights and have different opinions. Liberty is an obstacle to people like you, who would just love to see 'liberal-whinnies' like Michael Moore or Hillary Clinton in prison because they're oposed to the WASP extremists you adore…

You're free to believe the US is the best nation in the world. It's your nation, it's your right, fine! But it is not. Nor is France, Mexico, Japan or Germany. The US is simply another nation of thw WORLD. Just 300 million people of a great community called HUMAN RACE.

Now, please do close this thread.

[ 05. October 2004, 08:49 PM: Message edited by: General der Infanterie Friedrich H ]

 

Hey General, did you get the impression that 5-0 is a foaming at the mouth conservitive ??

I think you have your head screwed on right and would make a great president. (I would not want to be the underwriter of your life insurance though if you were elected. )

Keep posting about the US political system as I like to read your comments.

 

Framert,

On Afganistan I heard that the president left Kabul for the first time a few days ago... I got the impression his car drove at high speed out of KAbul, and at the first roundabout, turned round and came straight back! But he 'left Kabul'...

5 - 0's comments however worry me a little. There seems to be thread running amongst Bush supporters of a certain age group who will not listen to critiscism and react abusively and violently at such. Reminds me of those in the SA/HJ... I always feel that mature discussion is best to those who hold differing views, perhaps tinged with a little sarcasasm. But atleast 5-0 recognises several points and, between the abuse, makes some interesting points.

Perhaps we should steer clear of Iraq, but I cant see that happening, its a situation that we all feel strongly about, but it is worth remembering that everyone is entitled to their own opinions.

This thread is interesting, mainly cos I have no idea of how the US system works, come to think of it I have no idea how any election system works!

I have never voted in my life!

Cos then 'they' would know where I am...

 

Then you haven't the least idea what you're missing!

Over here until 1974 we were living in a fascist dictatorship, similar to Mussolini's Italy (not the one from this forum, the other one!), Franco's Spain and others of the same ilk.

We were veeeery careful with whom we talked to, no comments in public, converstions were limited to soccer and little else.

Single party, no vote, no divorce, Coca Cola was forbidden (!), justice for the rich only, a loosing colonial war in Africa, political arrests in the night, no unions, censored newspapers, one channel on TV only and belonging to the state, bookshops ransacked and closed, lists of forbidden books, etc etc etc

So in 1974 there comes a coup (almost bloodless: 1 political police dead and 6 citizens caught by an SMG burst from a window of the political police head building) from low rank officers who were seeing the war going nowhere, and lo and behold, elections to choose a national assembly to draft a new constitution and all that it implies and ensued.

I voted for the first time in my life for this election 30 years ago, and since then haven't missed a single election unless for very serious reasons. I may be only one voter among millions, but when I see election results published, I know one of those figures is MY figure. Believe me: voting matters!

Oh, and I write an 'x' in a little square in a paper with several of these squares, each of one clearly marked with the party or candidate's name plus his face or party symbol. No room for mistake!

 

But I know where your 'underground bunker'is Red. This sort of thing always happens with politics and always will.Certain people more than others. 5-0 overstepped the 'etiquette' IMO.But I've seen even worse on other forums. But what do I know, I'm just a dumb ole carpenter.

 

ZA,

I guess on my part its a general apathy and disinterest in anything political... Oh and Im bloody lazy!

Framert,

Dont give me that "dumb ole carpenter" cover story... I know who you work for! Completely off topic, I have started on my 28mm StuH42... Its big and made of metal!