Most disgusting character of the 3rd Reich

Who do you deem the worst, most disgusting of them all?

I have left out some who I considered rather harmless in comparison with the ones mentioned (Speer, Hess, Schirach...) or very disgusting, but not really important ones (Höß, Streicher...)

If you want to vote for one of those or another, please mention him in here.

I will update this posting to add a list of 'Others'. So far, the only vote is an accidentally misplaced vote for Heydrich.
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My own vote: EICHMANN

Reason: He had no primary motivation on his own to send Jews to the gas chambers, but then he developped a deadly initiative, only to please his Führer - and wasn't ready to be stopped any more. Any other person in his place would most likely have adopted Himmler's reasoning, trying to save his own skin, but not Eichmann. It was him to give the mass murder a new dimension, without the slightest possible excuse.

[ 21. October 2003, 06:08 AM: Message edited by: KnightMove ]

 

My vote was for Josef Mengele. Someone who came from a reputable family turns into some kind of monster doctor conducting experiments with absolutely no value. I consider all of these doctors disgusting and should be given a dose of their own medicine.

 

I chose Bormann... because he was a pig who wasn't worth a penny as a person and certainly, controlling the access of information to Hitler and having too much power lead him to terrible crimes and insanities...

But I think that you missed pornographic Streicher... That man was so disgusting even to some nazis!

But I wouldn't include Heydrich or Himmler there... Heydrich was quite charming and a genious. A mass murderer with a lot of class... And Himmler was unsane and was a bloody butcher, but I incredibly do not find him disgusting. Maybe the school-teacher look...

 

Well, I didn't forget him, but as written, I deemed him not important enough for the poll. Still everybody can vote 'Other' and mention it was for Streicher.

[ 20. October 2003, 04:22 PM: Message edited by: KnightMove ]

 

I missread then... sorry...

Fortunately Streicher was not important... He couldn't do much with his incredibly LOW intelectual capacity...

 

Now as you mentioned it, I remembered this posting of Kai. There are two things I definitely wonder about:

* That all of them, including Streicher, are above average (=100)
* I don't wonder that Schacht was on top (this is quite logical), but the IQ of Göring made me wonder. I would NEVER have expected him to be more intelligent in any way than Speer or Rosenberg.

 

Those are very interesting cyphers. And even if Julius Streicher has a priviledged average-person intelligence, his life behaviour is a contradiction. He was a sadist, a pornographic, a pervert, and liked to blackmail people (including the husbands of the women he went to bed with...)

And also, Göring was an incredibly bright man. He made clear signs of it during the Nuremberg trials where he challanged and humiliated the prosecutor... Göring was, without doubt, one of the cleverest and agilest nazi politicians there were. He didn't know much of economics, but he knew exactly what to do and who to ask to make a war economy. He built the mightiest German air force in the world and he created the most efficient police state there has been. He was very stubborn, in the other hand and under the effects of morphine you couln't expect him to act too serious...

 

Heydrich, for just the reasons the fair General exhorts him for...

 

I accidently voted for other as I noticed too late that Heydrichs name was listed. It is Heydrich who I would vote for as the most disgusting of them all. His orders by far killed more people than did mengele.

 

Hmmm, maybe Kai-Petri is able to change the vote?

 

Well, I don´t think one should put too much pressure on my choice though...



ANyway, Mengele, Bormann, Heydrich and Eichmann were all horrible men. I guess it´s only a matter of taste who one thinks was the most awful.

Mengele and Eichmann changed wiht time to what they were.

Bormann was a pig and did anything to please Hitler.I think he was the same all his life.

Heydrich was evil all his life. As well he was well co-ordinated and pressed on with his dirty work and was very efficient. As well had the qualities of a gentleman to mix it.

For the efficiency and being evil through and through and definitely the person I would have least liked to sit face-to-face as a prisoner is Heydrich!

 

No, I was talking about C.Evans vote. He accidentally voted wrong. Is a morderator able to change a vote?

 

Ok, gotcha!!



No, I don´t think I can change the vote but maybe Otto or others know better?

 

I voted Hitler.

All the Streichers, Eichmanns, Freislers, Mengeles, etc. might have been just nice, polite little gentlemen living in the neigborhood, if it wasn't for Hitler's allowance to do what they did and his setting of the preconditions to let those men become the monsters they became.

Cheers,

 

There is one thing you have to give a little credit for both Heydrich and Rosenberg:

Even though they deemed their supordinate Slavs underlings, they were at least smart enough to treat them somewhat acceptable, to pacify them and even make some of them supporters. This is not a proof of good character, but at least intelligence, and made things not better, but less bad for Czechs and Ukranians.

 

Sorry Knight, I can't change my vote once its entered--wish I could though.

 

A fair point, but having built this mighty force Goering subsequently failed to manage it effectively and consistently overstated its capabilities.

But anyway, I don't wish to divert this discussion - my vote goes to Hitler for the reasons AndyW gave.

 

Well, for me the disgusting part focuses more on what kind of persons they were and the nature of their crimes. Because if we talk about crime scales, then I should vote for Hitler, since he was the one who created the environment for a war that killed 50 million Europeans.

But for disgusting characters I consider the nature of the crimes. Mengele is the perfect example. A maniac who has thousands of eye-balls pinned to the wall can't be human... A maniac who enmasculated men to observe his sexual performance is simply monstrous... He may not have killed more than 10.000 people, but the way he did it![...]

Now, we have Bormann. A PIG. Bormann had ten children. Ten children whom he used to hit, yell and mistreat. He beat his wife and constantly cheated on her cynically. He had no manners and was so ruthless with his enemies because he used Hitler's powers as he pleased. That is completely disgusting for me.

Then, I can talk about Heydrich. He killed more than 10 million people with his signature and fine words. The scale of his crimes are beyond almost every nazi. But the nature of his crimes; an administrative killing is more 'human' than chopping people into pieces and raping the wives of partisans... Heydrich was a very good father and husband, he was educated, well-brought, classy, charming, agreeable, astonishingly intelligent. Despite the fact that he was perhaps the greatest criminal of the III reich after Hitler, he is not disgusting for me.

Because Göring was a genious politician and administrator. He was not a strategist. A Reichsmarschal batton cannot provide strategic leadership skills to a man that commanded only a squadron during the last war...

 

I'm astonished there is no vote for Himmler yet. He is my #2 after Eichmann.

I find him extraordinary disgusting for the same reasons PzJgr voted for Mengele - a humanistic educated person from a noble family, becoming one of the worst butchers in mankind.

 

Let's not forget the 'good' Dr. Oskar Dirlewanger and his band of felons posing as soldiers. His exploits in 'anti-partisan' actions brought to Europe scenes not seen there since the Dark Ages. Even many other SS officers wanted to shoot this man.
Aside from that his just being a rapist, molester and, general pervert and possible murderer makes him particularly disgusting.....