Are you insinuating he wasn't a war criminal and that he did not use slave labor? If this is the case I'd like to hear your thought.
This thread is the best comedy sketch i have read for a long time, thank you guys, but Rudolf Hess what ever anyones says was a pure war criminal, ask those poor bastards in Poland for what he did, Hess is just as guilty for the start of the second world war as Hitler. And to whomever killed Hess, it did close Spandau forever.
Your just a little korny with your fobia of WW2 Germans. (dreadful war criminal) Good Lord! Your comment on the Foke Wulf was hillarious also. I don't think you like Germans weather it be WW2 or today. jmo
Of course he used slave labour. He'd use whatever to get the job done. His country was fighting for its very survivial. It doesn't make it right, but the Soviets would have done the same and there is a difference between having people labour for you and gassing them. Also remember Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges.
Im not so sure that you can just so easily brush this off. Speer could have used the German women and even children in factories as the Soviets had . But instead he decided that it would be better to use the inferior races of conquered territories for the grunt work. And it was not Germany which was fighting for its survival but the countries fighting Germany.
From the viewpoint of the Nazi regime and many within Germany, Germany was fighting for its survival. The same way you can say that to those within Russia, Russia was fighting for its survivial. Do you think every Russian agreed with Communism? And the policies of Stalin? Even so, the nation came first. For Speer, using German women and children was not an option, as Hitler would never sanction it.
Who do you think you are spamming this forum and telling me I don't like Germans?? You don't even know me. Speer was a Nazi and I don't like Nazis. Is that clear enough? And you ? Are you defending War criminals and Nazis ? Are you insinuating the Nurnberg trial was wrong and that Speer was innocent?
I read somewhere that Hess played a prominent role in the establishment of the 1935 Nuremburg Race Laws which practically made the Jews into non-citizens. Now if this is not criminal than I don't know what is. He was charged rightly. Period.
Yes, you are correct in stating that not all Russians were communists or that they agreed with Stalin, in fact a lot of Russians didnt like him. I also agree with Russians were fighting for their land and their survival and not Stalin. Im not sure I agree with Germans fighting for their survival. In the end yes, but they were after all the ones which started the war and others had to first fight for their survival and then make sure that such an evil would never rise again.
well, i don't think that was called for at all. you took a comment made by someone you really don't know, and made it quite personal, i think maybe you owe someone an apology, or at least explain yourself. that's my two cents.
No apology neaded. A lot of you go over board with your anti German BS. That was 62 yrs ago. There were crimes commited by all participants. Murder is murder,no matter who commits it. With all the crimes during and since,why are Germans alone made to look so evil? Also,I just find his posts "korny". A little over dramatic. Perhaps an axe to grind? My 2 cents also. No slander intended nor was any given.
I do not recall any of the Western allies setting up murder factories nor conducting medical experiments on civilians. Not taking prisoners is indeed an act of war but the other atrocities committed by the Germans is indeed criminal and they do deserve the 62 yrs of Anti-German BS as you put it. If you are here to be a Nazi-apologist, you are in for a surprise. You do not know to whom you are speaking with and suggest you do a little research before you accuse us of any kind of slander. Opinions are one thing. But at least keep it civil.
Well said PzJgr. I couldn't have said it any better. I'm not going to waste my time with Adolf Junior and his fourth Reich wet dream.
"The difference between a war criminal and a hero is who ended up on the winning side". Fact is that no-one ever on the winning side ever faced war crimes, if anyone ever did supply that information. Could the bombing of a helpless Dresden be considered a war crime, the allies used the bombing of Dresden as an act of pure terror, it had no strategic military value, mainly built out of timber and almost exclusively civillian, if the the London Blitz and the destruction of Coventry were considered war crime then the Allied bombing of Dresden was a war crime. But it wasn't why?, because it was done by the Allies and they won, no one was going to hold the planners of that operation to account of the thousands of German civillian murdered in that one raid. No one ever held the Soviets accountable for the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Axis POW's used in slave labour camps both during and post ww2, why? because again they were on the winning side. That is the fact of war.
talking about speer, a few months ago german television broadcast a documentary on him. i haven't seeen it but i read some very interesting review on newpapers. it include interviews with speers sons, and they are not very kind with their father... by the way, speer was probably the only one nazi who was not ridiculous.... NO, i,m wrong, he was funny too! just think about his crazy project of buildng a sort of vatican st.peter in berlin with a huge statue of mussolini in the middle of the square. can u imagine that??? i'm afraid for him, but this is the evidence we were looking for, he was a real nazi!!
This is Rubbish. Stalin did not use women and children from the German population in the rebuilding of the Soviet Union, when he very well could have with a snap of a finger. No, he used the very same glorious German soldiers which had such a great time destroying the country! A brilliant Political move by Stalin, Churchill agreed! Also the Germans in Russian captivity were not systematically starved as the Russian POW's were. And for your information over 4,000 Red Army soldiers were reprimanded for their treatment of German civillians. While this may sound like a drop in a bucket, it is about 4,000 more cases then the amount of Germans being punished for their treatment of Russians. I will try to find you some sources.....
It wasn't considered a war crime because there were no international treaties or laws prohibiting it. That's why the bombing of London, Coventry, Warsaw, Stalingrad etc were not considered war crimes either. There were no specific laws covering aerial bombardment, the analogous laws on land and naval bombardment banned only attacks on undefended towns, meaning towns which were open to occupation by the enemy.
