What if Germany was given better treatment at the Treaty of Versailles

" A very Anti German Board" LOL? I guess you haven't noticed the many German themed member names have ya? And of course the many threads and posts about the Germans and Germany over the years. BTW its "Israeli" and "Mossad"

 

The USS Enterprise was returning from Wake Island , where it had just delivered some aircraft. The USS Lexington was ferrying aircraft to Midway, and the USS Saratoga and USS Colorado were undergoing repairs in the United States. No conspiracy there.

 

Aircraft, I might add, that sunk some Japanese ships shortly after. Hardly a useless mission just to keep her away from Pearl.

 

Here is one, watch and ask yoursef does it make sence
9/11 Flight 93 Rare Footage

9/11 Eyewitness: Sensationalism and Pseudo-Science

911 Eyewitness - DVD Online Videos - Page One

This is posted because of a reply by mikebatzel and his misinformation about this and other issues on the what if thread.

If you are truely 100% right you have nothing to loose but time, I think there are many questions beyond the official report that need to be looked at, I'll let video and science support my stand.

 

A carrier returning with no battle group? in waters known to have u-boats in, being repaired? that does not even match the official report 4 flat tops were at sea.
MB I'm sure you believe there were WMD's in Iraq too? or another lie?

Why do I question everything? because everything has a correct or incorrect answer. Govt tent to use the later.

 

German Horse Cavalry and Transport" from Intelligence Bulletin
Intelligence report on the German use of cavalry and horse transport in WWII including Waffen-SS, from the Intelligence Bulletin, March 1946.
[Editor's Note: The following article is wartime information on foreign units and tactics published for Allied soldiers. In many cases, more accurate data on the German military is available in later postwar publications.]





GERMAN HORSE CAVALRY AND TRANSPORT

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Despite highly ballyhooed emphasis on employment of mechanized forces and on rapid movement, the bulk of German combat divisions were horse drawn throughout World War II. Early in the war it was the common belief of the American public that the German Siegfrieds of Hitler's Blitz rode forth to battle on swift tanks and motor vehicles. But the notion of the mechanized might of the German Wehrmacht was largely a glamorized myth born in the fertile brains of newspapermen. Actually, the lowly horse played a most important part in enabling the German Army to move about Europe.

Public opinion to the contrary, so great was the dependence of the Nazi Blitzkrieg upon the horse that the numerical strength of German Army horses maintained during the entire war period averaged around 1,100,000. Of the 322 German Army and SS divisions extant in November 1943, only 52 were armored or motorized. Of the November 1944 total of 264 combat divisions, only 42 were armored or motorized. The great bulk of the German combat strength-the old-type infantry divisions-marched into battle on foot, with their weapons and supply trains propelled almost entirely by four-legged horsepower. The light and mountain divisions had an even greater proportion of animals, and the cavalry divisions were naturally mainly dependent on the horse.

The old-type German infantry division had approximately 5,300 horses, 1,100 horse-drawn vehicles, 950 motor vehicles, and 430 motorcycles. In 1943, due to the great difficulties in supply and upkeep of motor vehicles in the wide stretches of the Eastern Front, the allotment to divisions in that theater was reduced to approximately 400 motor vehicles and 400 motorcycles, and the number of horses was increased to some 6,300. The 1944-type divisions had about 4,600 horses, 1,400 horse-drawn vehicles, 600 motor vehicles, and 150 motorcycles.

The only fully motorized unit in the old-type infantry division was the antitank battalion. Most of the divisional supply trains were horse drawn, motor vehicles being used chiefly to transport fuel and for the workshop company. A far greater degree of motorization existed among German GHQ troops, the supply units of which were mostly motorized. Motorization of GHQ troops was to a large degree a necessity, since these units included such types of outfits as heavy artillery, for which horse draft would have been a practical impossibility. These motorized GHQ units were assigned to armies, corps, and divisions as originally required.

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SUMMARY

"It is clear that the bulk of the German Army would have continued to be horse drawn unless much more bountiful sources of liquid fuel had become available than the Germans expected, even with full control of the Caucasus oil fields. Automotive production capacity would also have affected the degree of German motorization, even without the impact of war to complicate the procurement picture. Certainly, in an economy like the German, provision of motor vehicles on a U.S. scale was impossible. Extensive mass production of vehicles-with its corollary rapid quantity production at low unit cost-did not exist in Germany to the extent common in the United States.

Economic factors, aggravated by the effects of air bombardment, also played a part in the revival of independent horse cavalry toward the end of the war. The horse re-entered the picture, if for no other reason than that he provided a mode of transport not suffering from related procurement shortages other than that of fodder.

Just how largely tactical usefulness weighed in the decision to re-emphasize cavalry remains an open question. The dissolution of the cavalry school, the failure to train new cavalry officers to any significant extent, and the virtual abandonment of GHQ horse cavalry during Germany's victorious surge-all suggest the trend at that time to drop the independent unit altogether. Later developments may have caused the Germans to reconsider their position. Soviet cavalry, which had suffered from some initial reverses during the early campaigns, quickly adjusted its doctrine, tactics, and technique to warfare as fought on the Eastern Front. German forces also found advantages in the employment of independent cavalry, particularly in rough terrain where partisans usually operated.

Himmler, in a confidential speech in October 1943, implied that "mobile frontier" would be established as far cast as possible at the cessation of open hostilities, German youth was to be trained and toughened in policing the native population and the "barbarians beyond." Such a situation might call for the extensive use of cavalry on the enormous trackless wastes of the steppes: Himmler probably believed, also, that the horse was a better "youth-toughener" than the effete motor vehicle. Evidently, Himmler intended to use cavalry for pacification purposes, as opposed to cavalry in full-scale combat against units comprising all arms and services.

The German lesson on the horse in transport and in cavalry units appears to be simple. If horsed units exist, they form a nucleus which can be rapidly expanded should economic and terrain conditions call for extensive use of animals. There seems to be no hard and set rule as to when an army is likely to feel the need for horsed units, since that need is based upon estimates of economic and terrain conditions and of the capabilities of the troops. From the experience of the Germans and of other foreign armies, it is evident that the horse has yet to be supplanted under all conditions.

Should Germany ever be permitted to build up any army of its own again, it is probable that it would include a horse cavalry element-if only to preserve the proud tradition of German cavalry with its motto "Paradise on earth is on the backs of horses" (Das Paradies der Erde liegt auf den Rucken der Pferda)."


http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/germanhorse/index.html

 

you can't be serious? all those people who knew about the conspiracy are going to keep their mouths shut all their lives? the government might have been warned about a attack imminent but there is no way they knew it was going to happen. I don't believe a word of that bull, its just like the military knew there was going to be a attack from the Japanese but they didn't know where or when that was going to take place. The American people are to blame for letting the Japanese and the Germans march over continents, that isolation thinking is exactly how WORLD Wars begin; "Well were safe for now so who cares about these people on the other side of the ocean". If we Allied with England and supplied troops right when Hitler invaded France we could have stopped Hitler in his tracks, and that goes for the rest of Europe as well. Thats why the U.S. must stay the course on the War on Terror and remain in Iraq, if we pull out they will come here.

 

"hardly a useless mission just to keep her away from pearl"
Why if there was no threat would they keep her away from pearl?

And if two other carrier groups were in close to the Japanese why did they not engadge? yes shot down a few planes, I would have turned and pusued knowing Pearl was a scrap heap.

As for the video watch it, what can it hurt?

we will agree on one thing, Islam is a problem, it must be fought on it's ground, not doing so would bring attacks on American and other soil.

 

From your own sources:

No there were not. But why don't you read this:
Interrogator: Saddam surprised by U.S. attack - Conflict in Iraq - MSNBC.com

Misinformed? My information comes from facts not propaganda.
If you wish to continue this then just PM me. Lets get this train back on track

 

I believe you misunderstood my post. She delivered the aircraft to Guam. The aircraft that was unloaded at Guam then attacked Japanese ships coming to take the Island. Halsey did in fact spend considerable time looking for the Japanese fleet that attacked Pearl Harbor.

 

Adolf Galland why don't you step up to the plate and respond to this?

 

What if, we never had this conversation?

 

"A hothead a day keeps interesting debate away."

 

why doesn't Adolf Galland simply reply to what I said? its because he knows what I said is true I guess. He said such a outrageous silly thing.

 

Something new to see everyday LOL. Ive never seen that little flame before LOL.

 

Ok guys, to more serious matters....... Where in the hell did Za get that Avatar?!?!