Types of artillery used at the Battle of Stalingrad??? Anybody???

Hey i need to know what specific types of artillery were used in the Battle of Stalingrad on both the German and Soviet sides. I know a site that shows all artillery used on the eastern front but there are too many to mention in my paper so i need to know which ones were used at Stalingrad. Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

 

The 15cm StuIG 33B with the Sturmgeschutz Abteilung 177 and 244 fought at Stalingrad.

8-cm sGrW 34 mortar and others....

 

Thanks, do you remember where you got this info.? I'm still looking for russian artillary too.

Check out this site: The Eastern Front Index

 

Are you also looking for the Hungarian,Italian and Romanian artillery also since they were involved too?

 

Well maybe, mainly I am trying to track down What artillery was used to shell the Soviets in the city and in their counter offensives as well as what artillery was used to shell the Germans from the East bank of the Volga river. I'm less interested in the eventual pincher move because of the fact that i am simply mentioning it for tactical purposes in my paper although i guess it would be helpful to know and could possibly be quite useful now that i think of it. so ya i guess i am because i could see if the Romanians, Hungarians and Italians had inferior artillery to the Soviets which would be a cause of their defeat. So i guess in short, yes.

 

Fighting strength of the 21 encircled German Stalingrad divisions on 28 December 1942

Though this doesn't list each type of artillery piece there were it does list how many there were.

Fighting strength of the trapped Stalingrad divisions on 28 December 1942.

 

Thank you. This is somewhat helpful. If you find anything else just keep posting.

 

Oh I will. Trust me I will LOL

 

One point you could make in your paper was that the Russians developed a tactic of "hugging" the German forces(think boxing) so that the German Artillerie would be less effective due to proximity.

You should be able to find a quote for this.

 

Well, the standard German guns in the divisional artillery regiment were the 10.5cm leFH18 and the 15cm sFH 18, plus of course a variety of other guns captured from other countries artillery parks (French, Polish, Russian, etc.) but yes, the most numerous would be the above.

Don't get fooled by that 15cm StuIG 33 given above, as only a token number was made (24 IIRC). Also in the Infantry regiment there was an artillery detachment containing (again IIRC) 2x 15cm sIG33 + 4x 7.5cm leIG18 but these were short ranged weapons with limited ammunition supplies so they worked at a very low tactical level, not at all suited for large bombardments.

At Corps and Army reserve levels the Germans could also deploy the 17cm Kanone18 and the 21cm Mörser18.

For the Soviet side the main divisional guns would have been a variety of 76.2mm guns (mainly the F-22 and USV) and 122mm howitzers (M1910/30, M1909/37 and the M1938). At Corps and Army reserve there would be a lerge number of guns and howitzers of 152mm and 203mm beefing up the divisional weapons.

See here for specific data on the designations I gave above.

 

True, it was one of the more unusual Artillerie weapons at that time, and there weren't many of them, unlike the mortars. They were suited for knocking down houses providing cover for Russians. As far as fooling goes, my post worked, you provided the lad with some information to do his report

 

80 cm K (E) railway gun "Dora"


"Dora was the second gun to be produced. It was deployed briefly against Stalingrad, where the gun arrived at its emplacement 15 km (9 miles) to the west of the city sometime in mid-August 1942. It was ready to fire on September 13th. However, it was quickly withdrawn when Soviet encirclement threatened; when the Germans began their long retreat they took Dora with them. Dora was broken up before the end of the war, being discovered in the west by American troops some time after the discovery of Schwerer Gustav."

Schwerer Gustav - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

Thanks a lot guys. ONe question, Za, when you mentioned artillery that could be deployed "At Corps and Army reserve levels," what exactly does that mean?

 

Italian forces in Russia
.
CSIR order of battle on 1 August 1941
CIV heavy machine guns btl
II antitank btl with 47/32 guns
30 Artillert raggruppamento
LX, LXI, LXII gruppo with 105/32 guns
IV XIX gruppo with 75/46 guns
IV pioneers btl
I and IX pontoon btl
VII Signal btl
63 Tagliamento Legione Camicie Nere Black Shirt Legion (Like a regiment of Light infantry)
9 Pasubio Infantry Division
79 Roma Infantry Regiment

80 Roma Infantry Regiment
8 Artillery Regiment
52 Torino Infantry (light Division
81 Torino Infantry Regiment
83 Torino Infantry Regiment
52 Artillery Regiment
3 Celere (Swift) Principe Amedeo Duca d'Aosta Lighr Division
3 Bersaglieri Regiment
3 Savoia cavalleria Cavalry mounted Regiment
5 Lancieri di Novara Cavalry mounted Regiment
3 Horse Artillery
Rgt26 Artillery Regiment

8 Army Order of battle (summer 1942)
CIX machine guns btl
Monte Cervino Mountain/Ski Btl
Cavalry Group
3 Savoia cavalleria Cavalry mounted Regiment
5 Lancieri di Novara Cavalry mounted Regiment
Army Artillery
201 Motorized Artillery Regiment
Horse Artillery regiment
4 Anti Aircraft Raggruppamento
IV XIX gruppo with 75/32 guns
XXXVI XXXVII XXXVIII groups with 149/40 guns

2 A Artillery Raggruppamento
XXIV gruppo with 149/28 guns
XXXI XXIII XXXIV gruppo with 149/403 guns
LXXIII gruppo with 210/22 guns
II Army Corps
II and CII heavy machine guns btl
XXXII antitank btl with 47/32 guns
II Pioneers btl
2 AC Artillery Raggruppamento
III, XXIII gruppo with 105/28 guns
CIII CXXIII CXXIV gruppo with 149/13 guns
2 Sforzesca Infantry Division

53 Umbria Infantry Regiment
54 Umbria Infantry Regiment
17 Artillery Regiment
3 Ravenna Infantry Division
37 Ravenna Infantry Regiment
38 Ravenna Infantry Regiment
121 Motorized Artillery Regiment
5 Cosseria Infantry Division
89 Salerno Infantry Regiment
90 Salerno Infantry Regiment
108 Motorized Artillery Regiment
XXXV Army Corps (ex CSIR)

CIV heavy machine guns btl
II antitank btl with 47/32 guns
XV Pioneers btl
30 Artillert raggruppamento
LX, LXI, LXII gruppo with 105/32 guns
CXXIV gruppo with 75/46 guns
IV pioneers
VIII Signal
9 Pasubio Infantry Division
79 Roma Infantry Regiment
80 Roma Infantry Regiment
8 Motorized Artillery Regiment

52 Torino Infantry (light) Division
81 Torino Infantry Regiment
83 Torino Infantry Regiment
52 Artillery Regiment
3 Celere Principe Amedeo Duca d'Aosta Infantry Division
3 Bersaglieri Regiment
6 Bersaglieri Regiment
120 Motorized Artillery Regiment
Corpo d'Armata Alpino (Mountain Corps)
11 AC Artillery Raggruppamento
LI, LII LIII gruppo with 105/32 guns
CXVII gruppo with 149/13 guns

3 Julia Mountain Division
8 Mountain Infantry Regiment
8 Mountain Infantry Regiment
3 Mountain Artillery Regiment
4 Cuneeses Mountain Division
1 Mountain Infantry Regiment
2 Mountain Infantry Regiment
4 Mountain Artillery Regiment
156 Vicenza Infantry Division
277 Infantry Regiment
278 Infantry Regiment
no Artillery

Artillery in 8 Army

Guns
Batteries
8 Army Artillery
216
50
II Army Corps
258
55
XXXV Army Corps - CSIR
246
52
Mountain Army Corps
226
47
Total
946
204

http://orbat.com/site/history/historical/italy/armyinrussia.html

 

The Germans, like other armies, had heavier artillery assigned to battalions and batteries that in turn were given to corps and armys (not divisions) for general support and special missions. 6th Army and the corps in that army certainly had such artillery assigned to it. Unfortunately, I really don't want to take the time to research exactly what battalions and batteries were assigned during the Stalingrad operation.
Maybe someone else could post up a list.

These units almost certainly include some unusual and unique artillery pieces as this is pretty much common for the Germans during the war. For example at Leningrad there was a battalion of self-propelled ex-French Schneider 194mm guns dating back to late WW 1 in manufacture. The self-propelled mounts were unique as the gun vehicle was powered by a second vehicle mounting a generator that drove the gun. There was also a third design that carried the ammunition. All three were based on Schneider tracked vehicles that originally derived from the Schneider St. Chamond tank of WW 1.

 

Not sure which types were used in Russia but here is a list of Hungarian Artillery peices,

Mountain gun 15 M (Škoda), 75.5 mm
Mountain gun 15/35 M (Škoda, DIMÁVAG), 75.5 mm
Field gun 05/08 M (Škoda), 76.5 mm
Field gun 15/18 M (Škoda), 76.5 mm
Field gun 18 M (Böhler), 76.5 mm
Field gun 31 M (DIMÁVAG, Bofors licence), 105.0 mm
Light field howitzer 15/31 M (Škoda, DiMÁVAG), 75.0 mm
Light field howitzer 14 M (Škoda), 100.0 mm
Light field howitzer 14/A M (Škoda), 100.0 mm
Light field howitzer 14/19 M (ex-Polish, originally Škoda licence), 100.0 mm Light field howitzer 37 M (Rheinmetall-Borsig), 105.0 mm
Light field howitzer 40 M (DIMÁVAG), 104.9 mm
Medium field howitzer 14 M (Škoda), 149.1 mm Medium field howitzer 15 M Medium field howitzer 14/35 M (Škoda, DIMÁVAG), 149.1 mm
Medium field howitzer 14/39 M (Škoda, DIMÁVAG), 149.1 mm
Medium field howitzer 31 M (Bofors, DIMÁVAG), 149.1 mm
Heavy field howitzer 39 M (Ansaldo), 210.0 mm
Heavy field howitzer 40 M (DIMÁVAG), 210.0 mm Heavy field howitzer 40 M (II) (DIMÁVAG), 210.0 mm
Heavy siege mortar 16 M (Škoda), 305.0 mm

 

And here is some info on Romanian Artillery,


WorldWar2.ro - The Artillery

At the beginning of the war in the East, the Romanian Army had at disposition 8,301 artillery pieces, of which 2,160 light guns, 492 heavy guns, 200 antitank guns, 4,758 regimental guns and 691 AA guns. The ratio of the regimental artillery increased, being 2.2 times higher than the light artillery, the heavy artillery was 20% of the light artillery, the divisional antitank artillery was 9% of the entire artillery, while the AA guns were four times the number fielded in 1918. The artillery - infantry ratio at division level was 3.8 batteries/infantry battalion. The artillery was divided in three parts: the army artillery, the corps artillery and the divisional artillery.
The army (1st, 3rd and 4th Army) artillery consisted in several independent horse-drawn artillery battalions. Half were equipped with old guns and the other half with modern ones: 150 mm Skoda model 1934 and 105 mm Schneider model 1913. Each army also had an independent motorized AT battalion armed with 47 mm Schneider model 1936/40 towed by Malaxa UE light armoured tracked vehicle. Because the 3rd Army was involved in mechanized operations it also had the 4th Motorized Heavy Artillery Regiment and the 1st and 11th Heavy Fortification Artillery Regiment (the last two only in 1941).
The corps (7 corps, Mountain and Cavalry Corps) artillery was formed from a motorized heavy artillery regiment, which had one battalion equipped with 12 105mm Schneider model 1936 and another one with 12 150mm Skoda model 1934. There were 8 such regiments (1st-8th). They were considered some of the best units of the Romanian Army. These regiments were comparable in terms of firepower and mobility with German regiments. Each corps also had an independent motorized heavy artillery battalion.
The divisional artillery had a different structure according to the type of division. The 24 infantry divisions, the Guard Division and the 1st Fortification Division had 2 artillery regiments each. Together they formed a brigade. The regiment with the odd number had 2 battalions with 12 75mm guns each and one with 8 100mm howitzers. The regiment with the even number was formed from a battalion with 12 75mm guns and one with 8 100mm howitzers. The 75mm were Schneider model 1897, Schneider Putilov model 1902/1936 and Krupp model 1904 and 1912. The 100mm howitzers were Skoda model 1914/1934 (modernized in Romania in 1934) and 1930. The Frontier-guard Division had only the Frontier-guard Artillery Regiment, which was made up from one battalion with 12 75mm guns and another one with 12 100mm howitzers. All these divisions also had an AT battery equipped with 6 47mm Schneider model 1936/39 towed by Malaxa UE light armoured tracked vehicle. There were 18 motorized independent heavy artillery battalions equipped with 105mm Schneider and 150mm Skoda howitzers. These were assigned to different formations in case of necessity.
The mountain brigades (1st-4th) had at their disposal 6 battalions of mountain guns (75mm Skoda model 1915 or 76.2mm Putilov model 1909) and 3 mountain howitzers battalions (100mm Skoda model 1916). The 1st and 3rd Mountain Brigade had each one mountain guns and one mountain howitzers battalion. The 2nd Mountain Brigade had two mountain guns and one mountain howitzers battalion. The 4th Mountain Brigade had only two mountain guns battalions, because it had been created shortly before the outbreak of the war. Each battalion had 12 artillery pieces. A brigade's artillery battalions formed a mountain artillery group. The Mountain Corps had one mountain guns battalion and two independent motorized heavy artillery battalions at its disposal.
The cavalry brigades (1st, 5th-9th) had each a horse artillery regiment (1st-6th). The horse artillery regiment was made up of two battalions with 8 75mm Krupp model 1904 and 1912. Each brigade also had an AT squadron equipped with 47mm Böhler model 1935 towed by Tatra 93 T trucks or Malaxa UE light armoured tracked vehicle.
The 1st Armored Division had one motorized artillery regiment made up of one battalion with 12 75mm Schneider Putilov model 1902/1936, one with 12 100mm Skoda and one with 12x105 mm Schneider howitzers.
Following the losses and the experience gained in the 1941 campaign the artillery was reorganized.
The regiment with the odd number from the infantry division lost on of the 75mm gun battalions. The Guard, 1st Fortification, Frontier-guard, 3rd, 8th and 21st Infantry Division received captured 76.2mm guns instead of the old 75mm ones. In the autumn of 1942, the 6 47mm AT guns, which each division had, were replaced with 6 75mm Pak 97/38 AT guns. Their number was insufficient, as it will be seen in the Battle of Stalingrad. All the mountain artillery groups had now 2 battalions with 12 75mm mountain guns and one with 12 100mm mountain howitzers. There was an extra mountain guns battalion kept at the disposal of the Mountain Corps. The 2nd and 3rd mountain Division got modern mountain guns like the 75mm Skoda model 1939 and the 100mm Skoda model 1939. The 1st and 4th Mountain Division replaced their old equipment with field guns.
The artillery of the cavalry divisions was strengthened by raising the number of guns per battalion from 8 to 12. Also the Cavalry Corps had at its disposal the 2nd Motorized Heavy Artillery Regiment and the all the 37mm AT guns were replaces with captured Soviet 45mm M32 guns.
The 75 mm guns battalion of the 1st Motorized Artillery Regiment (1st Armoured Division) was transformed into a 100mm guns battalion after it was refitted with 12 100mm Skoda guns.
In 1943, after Stalingrad, the Romanian Army was in a poor state and in a desperately need of reorganization. Some units were disbanded and their troops were used to fill in the gaps. From the 1st and 4th Fortification Artillery Regiment were reorganized the 11th and 16th Artillery Regiment.
Captured Soviet artillery pieces were introduced, like the 76.2mm gun (which was modified to fire Romanian 75mm shells), 122mm and 152mm howitzer. From Germany were imported 50mm Pak 38, 75mm Pak 97/38 and Pak 40, 100mm Skoda model 1914/19, 150mm Skoda model 1934, 105mm Krupp model 1918/40 and 105mm Schneider howitzers. Also tractors to tow these guns were imported: Zugkraftwagen, ROS/01, T6 and Lanz Bulldog D8500.
In the spring of 1944, the Romanian 75mm Resita model 1943 AT gun started to come into service. This gun had better performances than the Soviet ZIS-3 and the German Pak 40. They replaced the obsolete Böhler, Breda and Bofors AT guns, which were transferred to the heavy weapons companies. Even though each division was equipped only with 75mm AT guns and the firepower against Soviet tanks increased, the number was insufficient to stop the masses of Soviet armour.
The motorized independent AT battalions, which each army (3rd and 4th) had under its command were refitted with Resita guns and assigned to the artillery regiments. The 36th and the Frontier-guard Artillery Regiment were equipped only with 36 Resita model 1943. The artillery regiments with an odd number from each infantry division received an additional 75mm guns battalion (like they had in 1941).
The 3rd Horse Artillery Regiment (8th Cavalry Division) was transformed into the 3rd Motorized Artillery Regiment and was assigned to the same division (which was also motorized). One of the battalions of each horse artillery regiment was refitted with 12 100mm howitzers. In case of emergency, a 150mm howitzers battery could have been assigned to the regiment.
The motorized heavy artillery regiments were strengthened. Each had 12 150mm Skoda model 1934 howitzers and 12 105mm Schneider model 1936 guns, instead of 8. It also had 8 25mm Hotchkiss model 1939 AA guns. With the captured 122mm and 152mm howitzers and the 120mm De Bange model 1878 howitzers (used during WWI) were equipped 17 new independent motorized heavy artillery battalions in 1944. The same year were created the fortification artillery battalions for the 106th, 115th and 121st Fortification Detachment, which were defending the AFNB line.
The artillery group of the mountain divisions was replaced with an artillery regiment made up of three 75mm guns battalions. The division also had two AT companies with 75mm pieces and in case of emergency they could get a 150mm battery. The Mountain Brigades (101st-104th) had only one artillery battalion.
Because the Soviets captured many well equipped and experienced units after the armistice, the Romanian General Headquarters had at its disposal only a few capable units: the ones that came from Crimea (6th and 9th Cavalry Division, 1st, 2nd and 3rd Mountain Division, 10th and 19th Infantry Division). The rest of the troops were the 20 training divisions, which were poorly equipped. Their artillery consisted in 4 75mm guns and 2 100mm howitzers for the infantry, 2 75mm guns and 2 100mm howitzers for the cavalry and 4 75mm mountain guns and one 100mm mountain howitzer for the mountain troops. Most of them didn't even have 75 mm AT guns.
At the end of September 1944, there was another reorganization. The infantry and mountain divisions had now an artillery regiment made up of a 75mm guns battalion (12 Schneider model 1897), a 100mm howitzers battalion (12 Skoda) and a 120mm heavy mortars battalion (12 Resita model 1942). Each artillery battalion had two 20mm AA guns. The division also had an AT battery with 6 75mm Resita AT gun. Later that year they received an additional 6 pieces and the battery was transformed into a battalion. The motorized heavy artillery regiments were reduced to two battalions, each with 8 howitzers.


WorldWar2.ro - The Artillery

 

Let's look a bit at organization.

A Division is a coordinated (ha!) assembly of Regiments and lesser subunits. For instance, a Soviet Infantry Division would roughly contain 2-3x Rifle Regiments, 1x Artillery Regiment (see above for contents), 1x Anti-Tank Battalion, 1x Katiusha Battalion, Engineers, etc., depends a lot.

So the Divisional Artillery would be its assets as defined in its Table of Organization and Equipment, which is an extremely large field by itself.

Above the Division would be the Corps level (containing a variable number of Divisions and other non-divisional assets, never fixed). Above the Corps would be the Army level, containing a number of Corps and other non-divisional assets too. (Non-divisional means not belonging to a division)

The Corps (and Army) arty units could be at the Corps (Army) Commander discretion be parcelled out to beef up its Divisions artillery capabilities (that's called an 'attachment'), or parts of this reserve might be retained for General Support, Interdiction, Counter-Battery duties,etc.

If this wasn't clear enough say so and I'll try to help

I don't want to flood you, but this is one of the best sites on WW2 artillery (Brit in this case) British Artillery in World War 2

 

This makes sense. So what i'm getting is basically that the artillery pieces at Corps and army researve levels could be distributed where ever it was needed but that it was in fact on the front and easily accesible.

 

Holy cow, this must be one of the rare occasions where I get such an accolade here :lol:

Yes. Part of the reserve artillery could be parcelled out to the divisions for more or less variable time-spans, and other parts would be kept for counter-battery (that is, hitting the other side artillery) and other tasks.

At each level there would be an artillery commander (Div, Cps, Army), subordinate to his level's boss, who controlled and coordinated the use of his assets.