Americans an the fight against the Nazis

ok would you please post your thoughts and that is what you have expressed only.....into a question(s)

better yet start a new thread

 

Hello Erich,

Done!

Regards
Kruska

 

I third the close it motion - for what my opinion is worth

 

*Door Shuts*

 

I have researched the war. Eventhough i may not be able to remember dates I still have a reasonably basic knowledge.

So alot of individuals have voted no on this. I kind of expected that. Even accused of being a Nazi apologist when it was stated thats not the aim of the thread nor the intention.

I do realise the murderous dark side that accompanied the Nazis rise to dictatorship an yes im fully aware of the Holocaust. But i really do think you guys have just closed your minds to the whole subject without even giving it a thought. The Soviets most definately were no Angles themselves, before the war they had starved 7 million Ukranians which is no small number not to mention the countless other victims. I also highly doubt that the Americans were not aware of the atrocities taking place throughout the Soviet Union. Yet at the same time they were our "allies" an the Germans were the "enemy". How exactly does that make sense.
I know how it makes sense Britian viewed Germany as a greater Enemy, before the Holocaust an after the mass starvation of the Ukranians. So how was it fight against "Evil" when the Anglos were Allies with an equally murderous regime. Yet present time Historians an the general public have been made to believe that the Allies where joining arms to crush Evil which is far from the truth. For me (Im from Australia) the Japanese were a far greater threat, a threat that could quite have easily exterminated the Australian population

Ally With them.

1) The Russians were fighting a war that could have resulted in their extermination.
2) The Western Allies were not.

I guess the conclusion is that Americans view themselves as some kind of power that fights for freedom. The American armed forces is some kind of Moral Whip that sometimes gets cracked once in a while to keep the baddies in place-which is something that is false. It kind of reminds me how America invaded Iraq an Afghanistan whilst being great Allies with Saudi Arabia who are known for funding terrorism. America an Britian fought for freedom while being Allies with a meat grinder (soviet Union)

 

Hello globius,

First I think you have to differentiate between world power politics and the Nazi Doctrine. Secondly you would have to differentiate between an existing threat and a maybe foreseeable one.

That Britain would have opposed any expansion of Germany is understood, so vice versa. This is how the 1st WW got started and countless other European wars before. If Germany was controlled by Nazis or some other government would not have changed Britain’s policy.

For Roosevelt and the USA, Stalin was not an existing or imminent threat in 1939. If Stalin or some communist government would have attacked Europe, the US would sooner or later have gotten involved, one for keeping a balance of power and secondly to stop communism from spreading.

The British, French and any other WW1 participant weren’t really keen in getting themselves into a similar situation as in 1914-18, especially not the US. However the persecuted victims of the Nazis – socialists, communists, Jews, etc. etc. also had their lobbies and refuge in those respective countries. It is those groups who endlessly pondered for help and active support against Hitler’s racial and extermination policy.

The most powerful group was the Jews and they were also the most threatened group. As such I think it is understood that they viewed and judged upon the Nazi’s as an evil or the most evil system in the 20th century.
That the respective anti Hitler coalition or call it the Allies took this as a unifying symbol for their engagement or involvement against Hitler is also understood. So it was indeed a fight against tyranny and an evil system called Nazi Germany.

As for Russia, the lobby of the persecuted groups simply wasn’t strong enough to call upon the outside world for help. But as I forwarded before – in the event of a communist threat/attack towards Europe another coalition would have been formed amongst the democratic countries – in order to counter the Stalin evil.

We have the same situation nowadays. The Democratic countries have forged an alliance against the evil of terrorism and rouge states.

Regards
Kruska

 

The German Army had shown that it was capable of despicable and murderous acts long before 1944, long before the invasion of Soviet Russia even and capitulation by the British would have involved giving up a part of our population so that they could be incarcerated and ultimately murdered. Which of course is unacceptable. It was a war against evil, so it didn't matter where you were in the world, geographically.

 

me thinks you should re research the war. Japan never had the capability to "Exterminate" the Australians. That would require a major land offensive across the whole of the continent. Something the Japanese where wholy uncapable of

A war in Iraq has nothing to do with a discussion about WW2

 

The Whole continent isnt populated, only the coastal areas.

 

I highly doubt that scenario.

 

Hello globius,

What is there to doubt?

Off course the Nazis would have murdered of every British socialist, communist, Jew, Slavic, Homosexual, mentally handicapped and anyone who would have opposed them or wouldn't fit into their racial dogma.

Regards
Kruska

 

Kruska good points on the previous post.

There is doubt to Whether the Nazis would have followed through with any widespread extermination of the British.

 

Hello globius,

Thanks for the comment. However I have a strong feeling that you simply do not recognize the Nazi's for what they really were.

They couldn't give a dam about British or German or Dutch or whatever arian if he would have been attached to any of the above mentioned groups. Approx. 1 million Germans were murdered in concentration camps, so if they didn't care for there own people what do you think would the Nazis have done and have done to other "arians".

And a British Jew or Gypsy isn't an Arian anyway.

Regards
Kruska

 

Being Aryan was seen as a joke by many senior members of all branches of the military even among the general population it wasnt something taken seriously. The Aryan posterboy had more in common with the Swedes rather than the general population of Germany/Austria, much less Austria.
The Nazis would have seen the Brits as equals within a generation or 2 if Britian lost the war. More liberal sections of German society would have made sure their North-Western Neighbours did not come under Himmlers scrutiny.

 

Minus some air raids and sub attacks that did occur please explain to me how Japan was going to take Melbourne, Brisbane, Perth, and Adelaide. The Japanese couldn't even take Port Morsby. Your saying that even if Japan did take the entire coast of Australia, Australians wouldn't move further inland to get away, they would just sit and await death?

 

globius;
Being Aryan was seen as a joke

A joke?? have you ever heard of Lebensborn?

More liberal sections of German society

Liberal?? sections under Nazi Rule??

globius, please stop dreaming and trying to "downplay" Nazi attributes and their racial policy.
I also mentioned that British Jews, Gypsies and all the other above mentioned groups would have been persecuted and exterminated. Which you seem to ignore.

Please stop or you won't make it long in this Forum

I am not a moderator, but you and your statements are being viewed by them.

Regards
Kruska

 

Wasn't the whole choice of the Swastika and the foundation of the Nazi party born of the Aryan invasion theory?

 

Hello Lippert,

sorry I don't catch the meaning

Regards
Kruska

 

I have read that many people thought of the whole Aryan debacle as somewhat ridiculous. Maybe they didnt, im sure theres members on here with more knowledge on how the general population viewed Hitlers/Himmlers racial politics. Lebenstraum wasnt about Aryanism, more to do with the settling of Germanics in Eastern Slavic lands.

Yes they existed. Theres a topic on here called "Mischlinge" which means there must have been a more liberal, an i stress liberal element of the Nazi regime otherwise all those individuals would have perished.

Do you mean "British Jews" or the British in general.