ME-109 relics

Dear friends I would like to show you some relics from a Me-109. G6 from JG27.





1) Parts of fuselage with original JG27 Summer 1944 cammo intact on it



2) the Karman connections. These are aluminium bars connected to articulated copper sticks thanks to ball bearings and activated by a cable which was pulled in the cockpit to lift the flaps at the tail. They were named after the engineer who invented them.



3) parts of fuselage before cleaning



4) fuselage with electric connections/wires



5) armoured plate to protect the pilot's seat.

 

The kerosene filter. Note the WWII orignial sponge that could almost be used to clean the table!



More Karman connections. I am stil looking for positvie identification of this part, but it could be linked to the stick in the cockpit. ?



lower part of the kersosene tank with both connections on it. Note the autosealing rubber



a small crushed electric engine with part of a sealed cap



a connexion triangle (exhaust? reservoir? Still hav eto find out)

 

Great pics!

Thanx again Skipper!

 

Fantastic relics,Skipper. Did you find them yourself ?

 

a spar with rivets an original goldish paint



more heavy armoured plate.

 

I think you're unidentified Karman connection is for the rudder - what are its dimensions?

 

the first picture with Karman connections =about 10cm without the articulated arms.

the second one is about 35cm . Do you think this one could be part of the rudder?

 

Skipper,

Great pix! But I too am curious ...did you find or dig up these items yourself or did you trade for them. Digging around sounds like more fun, but....

BTW, there are commercial 2 x 3 ft posters of cut away drawings for general reference to help identify the parts of various aircraft available on the internet. Here's a site offering full blueprints: fighter-plane-blueprints-plans.co.uk

 

Cheers. I also ordered a cd at buffie's best Buffie's Best - Aviation Restoration Illustrations & Scale Model Hobbyists it's a G10 but apparently great stuff.

 

I am guessing that since several of the pictures show the relics lying on grass, Skipper must have excavated these pieces on his own.

 

good guess. Actually I displayed them on the grass for a better picture, this is not the finding place .(they would have been all covered up with earth and not suitable for a nice picture).

 

G-6 or G-6/AS Skip ? do we have a date of the crash and maybe this was one crate we were working on details last year about ? the camo looks to be faded of course and it appears on my monitor as in browns instead of the 1944 two toned greys that was standard issue

great Items !

E ~

 

the camo is slightly faded only . I showed parts with a very particular colour only that was mainly used by one geschwader and yes it is the one I asked questions about last year. One hint there is also a green vertical stripe. I sent you a pm.

 

green vertical stripe could be part of JG 27's fuselage band denoting it's place in the Reichs defense although serving in Normandie at this time frame. II. gruppe was very narrow while I., III., and the IV.th gruppen were wide. in addition for the early time frame in France the RvT band would be narrow not wide, that did come later in 1944 in the Autumn, needed to make this point clear.

a hearty congratulations S ~ salute

E

 

This green stripe gave me a lot of trouble because it was the first piece I got and it made me think the whole thing could have be green instead of mustard brownish , actually it's almost gold 'well sort of) with some yellow, ocre sand , then there is a lot of brownish camo and even a little bit of blue that reminds me of the early 1942 camo. The yellow must be from the figure and I also have some black from the Balkenkreuz. It all seems obvious , but we are talking about a giant puzzle that has been going on for years.

 

S ` I would think the blue would be the underbase layer RLM 76 which constituted the bottom of the wings and lower fuselage

E ~

 

great memory Erich , you told me that last year, but I forgot the RLM code. It is the sample I got on part of the undercariage. I will find those pics back and post all the different colour samples. One guy from our association will put these all back together and make a drawing of this aircraft with colours that will get as close as possible to the original ones.

 

I'd be most interested in his mock-up drawing so I can make comment.

funny to me that your above pics show traces of brown as this was a very late RLM war colour - 1945 used along with violet-grey as for the upper wings and fuselage. Typically this was for ground concealment since the LW was getting it's nose rubbed daily by Allied fighters while in the air, and the numerous strafing attacks

am going to have to pursue the idea of going through the databank and retrieve any mid-44 colour shots of 109's - there maybe a remote chance of a similar A/C. The JG 27 crates for pics of Normandie in my small collection all show junked out 109's with camo pretty dark

 

actually I have a great one from a complete JG27 flight on the ground , it fits the pattern. I will scan it and post it here later. As to the drawing you wil certainly see the draft , but that is still a project and I doubt it will be around before 2009.
Funny I had the same impression about the early 1945 camo (including the Reich defense stripe) but it is an early painted one in mid 1944. I have other parts with the same colour, so this was really the main camp pattern. I don't think it is too altered either , as the Me-109 Grey parts I have are pefectly original paint with no alteration, same thing for the inside black.

 

that really sounds like a mix up of camo to me almost too much so, yes post up a view when possible would love to see. JG 27 like most of the Reich/West defense units received their personal Jg I.D. fuselage bands near December 1943 end or into very early winter of 1944. obviously as time went on there was a variance in width and even color. JG 11 for instance had a narrow yellow band changed to a much wider one. JG 3's was white - narrow and then a much wider band and then removed altogether when the unit was posed to the Ost front at January 1945's end.