Carrier named after the first President Bush

Yeah I sort of missed that angle to things, well done!

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Best and Warm Regards
Adrian Wainer

 

Yer nicked.

 

I think he does care. I doubt he ever flew his place off of a street during the war.

 

I believe if the politicians had their flunkies break out the history books, or peruse throught wikipedia long enough, they would have enough names of worthwhile battles and famous ships to name new carriers after. How many CVAN's do we have now? And what are their names? We probably only add a couple of them to our inventory every decade since they cost so much and have a long service life. I can guarantee that most of the ones we have are named for politicians, some, if not most are of who are still alive and kicking.

I just don't see how a person can proudly say that he was a career politician, or what erks me the most is when they name ships, buildings, bridges or whatever after themselves. That and when they refer to their time in politics as their "service" time to the country. Don't that beat all? There, I feel better now. Time for a RC Cola and a moonpie.

 

That's a good idea, maybe Blackwater can develope a maritime division to combat this problem since nobody seems to want to do anything about it. A jeep carrier armed with cobra gunships or apaches would do the trick. And marines attacking on jet skis! Now that would make a nice movie....

 

I am sorry but That Adrian is quite the "Special" Man. I would ask him to watch what he says... My aunt is from Jerusalem and she is a proud islamic - Canadian. As far as Canada Fighting the IsalmoFacists We canadians are only fighting for 2 reasons. One will piss off many people because it is the truth. One - Because you americans started somthing and of course my governemnt having no Back bone followed and sent 100 + canadians to die in a war we have no reason to be in. second - WE are trying to install peace in that region of the globe by peace keeping. CF is there for up keep and reconstruction rather than seek and destroy.

Thank you

 

What does "nicked" mean exactly?

 

Nicked...pinched.....nabbed....collar felt....come with me sir....your under arrest....see this batton mate....name and address please sir.

Get in the paddy waggon theres a good chap....

 

Ah yes, the English language with all its different meanings. Maybe I'll start a thread concerning those words y'all use that have different meaning from the way we use them over here.

Some similar words and phrases for nicked would be;

cuffed and stuffed
collared
scooped
grabbed
had hands laid upon
clothes lined
took down/out
and my favorite - he was "protected and served"

There are more, but I am saving them for the thread that I am planning to start.

 

That would be awesome, lol.

 

I take it you mean the war in Afghanistan since the Canadian Government officialy stayed neutral in Iraq. In which case I would think that the involvment in Afghanistan is completly within the obligations of the NATO charter. The 9/11 attacks where declared by NATO to have met Article Five of the Alliance. As well as the UN passing resolution 1368 (2001)

Article 5

The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security .
Article 6 (1)

For the purpose of Article 5, an armed attack on one or more of the Parties is deemed to include an armed attack:

• on the territory of any of the Parties in Europe or North America, on the Algerian Departments of France (2), on the territory of or on the Islands under the jurisdiction of any of the Parties in the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer;
• on the forces, vessels, or aircraft of any of the Parties, when in or over these territories or any other area in Europe in which occupation forces of any of the Parties were stationed on the date when the Treaty entered into force or the Mediterranean Sea or the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer.

UN Security Council Resolution 1368 (2001)
September 12, 2001




The Security Council,
Reaffirming the principles and purposes of the Charter of the United Nations,

Determined to combat by all means threats to international peace and security caused by terrorist acts,

Recognizing the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence in accordance with the Charter,

1. Unequivocally condemns in the strongest terms the horrifying terrorist attacks which took place on 11 September 2001 in New York, Washington (D.C.) and Pennsylvania and regards such acts, like any act of international terrorism, as a threat to international peace and security;

2. Expresses its deepest sympathy and condolences to the victims and their families and to the People and Government of the United States of America;

3. Calls on all States to work together urgently to bring to justice the perpetrators, organizers and sponsors of these terrorist attacks and stresses that those responsible for aiding, supporting or harbouring the perpetrators, organizers and sponsors of these acts will be held accountable;

4. Calls also on the international community to redouble their efforts to prevent and suppress terrorist acts including by increased cooperation and full implementation of the relevant international anti-terrorist conventions and Security Council resolutions, in particular resolution 1269 of 19 October 1999;

5. Expresses its readiness to take all necessary steps to respond to the terrorist attacks of 11 September 2001, and to combat all forms of terrorism, in accordance with its responsibilities under the Charter of the United Nations;

6. Decides to remain seized of the matter.
[end]

Are you implying that other NATO or ISAF countries are doing nothing but creating unrest and destroying everything we come across? I sure hope not.

 

What I meant was to attack what that asshole Adrian said about us Fighting Islamo - Facists... I meant nothing aginst anybody else so if I insulted anybody I am sorry he just really really pissed me off! He is in good canadian english "A Dumb Ass"

 

Thanks for stepping in slipdigit, and not letting things get out of hand here. Can't we all just get along?

 

I agree I am sorry for what I said, I guess I dont know when to quit while I am ahead! I again am sorry.

 

No, we're not singing any songs today....Happy now urqh? Still my round, eh?

 

Personally, I'd prefer that we name our carriers after something a bit more important than a politician. I'd like to see us go back to traditional names for these national assets. Some suggestions:

Independence
America
Liberty
Freedom
Republic
Fortitude

Or, past capital ship names like Saratoga or Lexington, maybe start with states for carriers names.

These seem far more appropriate than some politican's name on a carrier's a$$ end.

 

Here's a list for the names-of-ship-thinker-ofers at the Naval part of the Pentagon to work with when coming up with names of new carriers. This list was taken from an article in Wikipedia. Plenty of ideas here, excluding names of politicians, especially live ones. And there have been hundreds of battles that the US has been involved in to select as a name for new carriers. I think that states names would be nice too, but I think that those names are being used for submarines now, along with names of cities too.

On a side bar about the USS John Stennis. Since he was from great state of Mississippi, the carrier's nickname is the "Johnny Reb." I thought that was pretty cool, if not un-PC for this day and time.

Looks like the last carrier not named for a politician was the USS American in 1965. Shame on the self-serving politicians. Wait, what am I saying. They have nothing to shame.

The list of past and present USN carriers are as follows;

Name Commissioned Class Status
CV-1 Langley 1922 Langley-class, lead ship Sunk February 1942 65 nm south of Tjilatjap, Java
CV-2 Lexington 1927 Lexington-class, lead ship Sunk May 1942 in the Battle of the Coral Sea
CV-3 Saratoga 1927 Lexington-class Operation Crossroads (Baker) test target
CV-4 Ranger 1934 Ranger-class, lead ship Scrapped
CV-5 Yorktown 1937 Yorktown-class, lead ship Sunk June 1942 in the Battle of Midway
CV-6 Enterprise 1938 Yorktown-class Scrapped
CV-7 Wasp 1940 Wasp-class, lead ship Sunk September 1942 during the Guadalcanal campaign
CV-8 Hornet 1941 Yorktown-class Sunk October 1942 in the Battle of the Santa Cruz Islands
CV-9 b) Essex 1942 Essex-class, lead ship Scrapped
CV-10 b) Yorktown 1943 Essex-class Museum
CV-11 b) Intrepid 1943 Essex-class Museum
CV-12 b) Hornet 1943 Essex-class Museum
CV-13 b) Franklin 1944 Essex-class Scrapped
CV-14 b) Ticonderoga 1944 Long hull Essex-class Scrapped
CV-15 b) Randolph 1944 Essex-class Scrapped
CV-16 d) Lexington 1943 Essex-class Museum
CV-17 b) Bunker Hill 1943 Essex-class Scrapped
CV-18 b) Wasp 1943 Essex-class Scrapped
CV-19 Hancock 1944 Long hull Essex-class Scrapped
CV-20 b) Bennington 1944 Essex-class Scrapped
CV-21 c) Boxer 1945 Long hull Essex-class Scrapped
CVL-22 Independence 1943 Independence-class light carrier, lead ship Scuttled 1951
CVL-23 Princeton 1943 Independence-class Sunk, October 1944, Battle of Leyte Gulf
CVL-24 Belleau Wood 1943 Independence-class Scrapped
CVL-25 Cowpens 1943 Independence-class Scrapped
CVL-26 Monterey 1943 Independence-class Scrapped
CVL-27 Langley 1943 Independence-class Scrapped
CVL-28 Cabot 1943 Independence-class Scrapped
CVL-29 Bataan 1943 Independence-class Scrapped
CVL-30 San Jacinto 1943 Independence-class Scrapped
CV-31 b) Bonhomme Richard 1944 Essex-class Scrapped
CV-32 b) Leyte 1946 Long hull Essex-class Scrapped
CV-33 b) Kearsarge 1946 Long hull Essex-class Scrapped
CV-34 Oriskany 1950 Long hull Essex-class Scuttled as an artificial reef, May 2006 in the Gulf of Mexico [1]
CV-35 Reprisal Cancelled
(August 11, 1945) Long hull Essex-class Cancelled
CV-36 b) Antietam 1945 Long hull Essex-class Scrapped
CV-37 c) Princeton 1945 Long hull Essex-class Scrapped
CV-38 b) Shangri-la 1944 Long hull Essex-class Scrapped
CV-39 b) Lake Champlain 1945 Long hull Essex-class Scrapped
CV-40 b) Tarawa 1945 Long hull Essex-class Scrapped
CVB-41 a) Midway 1945 Midway-class, lead ship Museum
CVB-42 a) Franklin D. Roosevelt 1945 Midway-class Scrapped
CVB-43 a) Coral Sea 1947 Midway-class Scrapped
CVB-44 Cancelled Midway-class Cancelled
CV-45 c) Valley Forge 1946 Long hull Essex-class Scrapped
CV-46 Iwo Jima Cancelled
(August 11, 1945) Long hull Essex-class Cancelled
CV-47 b) Philippine Sea 1946 Long hull Essex-class Scrapped
CVL-48 Saipan 1946 Saipan-class, lead ship Scrapped
CVL-49 Wright 1946 Saipan-class Scrapped
CV-50 Cancelled Long hull Essex-class Cancelled
CV-51 Cancelled Long hull Essex-class Cancelled
CV-52 Cancelled Long hull Essex-class Cancelled
CV-53 Cancelled Long hull Essex-class Cancelled
CV-54 Cancelled Long hull Essex-class Cancelled
CV-55 Cancelled Long hull Essex-class Cancelled
CVB-56 Cancelled Midway-class Cancelled
CVB-57 Cancelled Midway-class Cancelled
CVA-58 United States Cancelled
(April 18, 1949) United States-class, lead ship Cancelled
CV-59 Forrestal 1955 Forrestal-class supercarrier, lead ship To be Scuttled - Date TBA - Docked at NS Newport, RI
CV-60 Saratoga 1956 Forrestal-class supercarrier On donation hold - docked at NS Newport, RI
CV-61 Ranger 1957 Forrestal-class supercarrier Donation hold - Docked at NISMF, Bremerton, WA
CV-62 Independence 1959 Forrestal-class supercarrier To be scuttled - date TBA - Docked at NISMF, Bremerton, WA
CV-63 Kitty Hawk 1961 Kitty Hawk-class supercarrier, lead ship Decommissioned, 31 Jan 2009 - Docked at NISMF,Bremerton, WA
CV-64 Constellation 1961 Kitty Hawk-class supercarrier To be Scuttled - Date TBA - Docked at NISMF, Bremerton, WA
CVN-65 Enterprise 1961 Enterprise-class supercarrier, lead ship Active
CV-66 America 1965 Kitty Hawk-class supercarrier Used as target, then scuttled
CV-67 John F. Kennedy 1968 Kennedy-class supercarrier, lead ship Decommissioned - Docked at NISMF, Philadelphia, PA
CVN-68 Nimitz 1975 Nimitz-class supercarrier, lead ship Active
CVN-69 Dwight D. Eisenhower 1977 Nimitz-class supercarrier Active
CVN-70 Carl Vinson 1981 Nimitz-class supercarrier Active
CVN-71 Theodore Roosevelt 1986 Nimitz-class supercarrier Active
CVN-72 Abraham Lincoln 1989 Nimitz-class supercarrier Active
CVN-73 George Washington 1992 Nimitz-class supercarrier Active
CVN-74 John C. Stennis 1995 Nimitz-class supercarrier Active
CVN-75 Harry S. Truman 1998 Nimitz-class supercarrier Active
CVN-76 Ronald Reagan 2003 Nimitz-class supercarrier Active
CVN-77 George H. W. Bush 2009 Nimitz-class supercarrier Active
CVN-78 Gerald R. Ford 2015 Ford-class supercarrier, lead ship Pre-keel laying manufacturing started
CVN-79 unnamed 2019 Ford-class supercarrier Planned
CVN-80 unnamed 2023 Ford-class supercarrier Planned


Looks like there are two super carriers in the works as we speak. Any suggestions of any self-serving politicians that they will more than likely be named for? How about the USS John Kerry, or the Al Gore. Can you imagine the USS Billery? Please, let it stop now....

 

My vote goes for Clifton A. F. Sprague just to keep with current naming procedure.