"OBAMA MORE THAN 'CONCERNED' By Neal Boortz @ June 30, 2009 8:11 AM Permalink | Comments (15) | TrackBacks (0) North Korea launches a missile and it takes Barack Obama and the UN five days to respond. Iran holds fraudulent elections, kills protesters and it takes weeks before Barack Obama can stand up and say that he is "concerned" about the situation. Then the people of Honduras try to uphold their constitution and laws of the land from being trampled by a Chavez-wanna be ... and it takes Barack Obama one day to proclaim that this was not a legal coup. Why the sudden decisiveness? Where were these strong opinions on foreign matters when Iranian authorities were trampling protestors and cutting off media access to the outside world? Where was this decisiveness when Kim Jong Ill decided that he was going to launch missiles toward Hawaii on the Fourth of July? Why ... NOW ... is Obama suddenly speaking out loudly? How about a little background. Are you really sure you know what has been going on in Honduras? Do you think that this was simply a coup? Let me give you a rough outline here, and then you can sit back and wonder just why PrezBO is in the weeds with Chavez and Castro on this one. Mel Zelaya is, or was, the President of Honduras. He and Hugo Chaves were tight. So tight, it seems, that Zelaya wanted to emulate Hugo by changing the Honduran constitution to allow him to run for office until he durned well gets tired of it. To change the constitution in Honduras you have to convene a constituent assembly. The president cannot do that. The Honduran congress must approve a national referendum calling for the constituent assembly to consider changes to the constitution. Zelaya didn't like the part about the constitution requiring approval of the congress before a national referendum could be called. So ... he decided to call one on his own. OK .. so here we have President Zelaya calling for a national referendum when he doesn't have the power to do so. The next problem is obtaining ballots! Since the Honduran congress had not called for the referendum, as required by the constitution, the government certainly wasn't going to print the ballots! After all, how smart would it be to print ballots for an illegal referendum? So ... Zelaya had to get the ballots printed elsewhere. Here's an idea! Get his pall Hugo Chavez to print them! Yes! That will work! So Chaves prints Zelaya's ballots and they're shipped to Honduras. Enter the Honduran Supreme Court. The court considers Zelaya's election in light of the requirements of the Honduran constitution, and rules the referendum illegal and unconstitutional. The court then issues an order to the Honduran military telling them not to do the logistical work associated with Zelaya's phony referendum. Remember, now ... all of this has one primary goal. To get rid of the term limits limiting Zelaya's rule in Honduras. After the supreme court's decision, General Romeo Velasquez tells President Zelaya that he is subject to a proper order from the Supreme Court and will not be able to carry out Zelaya's referendum. So ... Zelaya fires him. The Supreme Court orders Zelaya to reinstate Velasquez, and Zelaya refuses to do so. At this point Zelaya's ego is getting the better of him. If the military won't run his illegal referendum, he'll just do it himself. He gins up a mob and leads them to the military compound where Hugo's ballots are stored and then has his supporters begin distributing the ballots to the masses. Based on the Supreme Court's ruling the Honduran attorney general said that the proposed referendum was illegal and said that he would arrest anyone attempting to carry out the election. Zelaya was arrested by the military and was escorted out of the country. Now ... does this sound like a military coup-de-etat to you? The attorney general and the military were operating in accordance with the Honduran rule of law. They acted under a valid court order. Coup? The Honduran congress has convened and designated a successor president, all in accordance with the Honduran Constitution. Military coup? The presidential elections set for November .. the election that Zelaya was trying to get around ... will go on as scheduled. A blow for democracy? Fidel Castro, Daniel Noriega, Hugo Chavez ... all on the side of Zelaya. But Obama? Obama fighting against the rule of law and for a wannabe dictator? What gives?" Personally I thinks it makes BO highly uncomfortable...it's hitting toclose to home!
Personally, I don't think we should get involved in other countries elections etc. You don't see other countries getting involved in our elections (need I bring up Bush's re-election and the re-count in Florida etc?) and how do you think we would react if say France or the UK declared that our election was fraudulent and they were going to come in here and sort things out? If this article is true, I see nothing wrong with what the Honduran Government has done and if anything, the US should back it up (verbally). With Iran, the Government is allowed to publicly announce its dismay with the supposedly fraudulent vote there, but its no reason to try and take an active role in changing the vote or anything of the sort. And North Korea...since the UN is as useless as the crap I flush down the toilet....North Korea will continue to rattle its sabers until the UN grows some balls and actually agrees on a tough resolution that will severely cripple North Korea, lifting the sanctions in gradual stages on 'good behavior' by NK but putting them all back if NK violates the resolution. NK is like Germany in the 1930's...getting away with all sorts of things while only getting a half-hearted verbal lashing from the rest of the world. By the time the rest of the world takes some action, it will be too late (the proverbal German invasion of Poland).
I would like to note that the UN has also condemned the coup with a unanimous resolution calling for the return of Zelaya to the presidency. Also condemning the coup is the UK, France, Germany, Russia, Mexico, Norway, Switzerland, etc. There seems to be more to it than just BO playing pal with Hugo and company....
Remember, Zelaya was elected democratically in 2006. The current crisis is a result of his calling for a constitutional convention to alter the constitution. As such, the coup is an attempt to thwart him. Whatever his goals, leaders of most nations have condemned the action as unlawful. There is probably enough wrong on all sides of the issue to warrant the condemnation.
That is wrong! It is NOT a coup either. The constitutional crisis was provoked when Zelaya defied a legitimate order by the duly constituted Supreme Court to reinstate the head of the Army, whom he had illegally fired for professing support for the country's constitution and the Supreme Court. The Army took Zelaya into custody and disarmed his security guard because Zelaya continued to defy the Judicial branch of the government. What this is about is an attempt to by Zelaya and other Leftists in Nicuarga to destabilize the government by ignoring democratic procedures and defying government authorities. The constitutional convention may, or may not, be held, but if it is, you can count on Zelaya to try to consolidate his power and make it possible for him to assume dictatorial powers, just as Chavez has done.
THAT IS WRONG! In bold, it gives me reason now, what Zelaya wanted was to add another cross to the election bulletin asking people if there should be an ammendment to the constitution enabling a person to be elected more than once. He wouldn't be allowed to run because the new constitution couldn't be corrected in time. The fired General was a General who refused a Presidential order to distribute the referendum ballots. And it's amazing how he's trying to destabilize the government considering he's in power... This is a coup with the right to a fake resignation leter and forced expatriation. And surelly, the people in the street have all been brainwashed and don't have the political insight of the country where they live than you have. well, after the coup they are certainly less informed as news agencies have been closed, reporters arrested, embasadors kidnaped... Surely they are the bad guys. Thank God all Mighty that they own all those weapons to defend themselves. Cheers...
Then how do you explain the fact that he Nicaraguan Supreme court found Zelaya's actions to be illegal. Apparently the constitution proscribes "adding another cross to a ballot" asking such a question. Amending a constitution can have serious repercussions, so it is NOT a minor point. And the Supreme Court also found that the General who was fired was fired illegally because he expressed support for the constitution and ordered him reinstated. Being fired for expressing support of a duly adopted constitution is NOT A COUP, unless of course you are a Leftist who believes in a dictatorship. It was this legitimate order that Zelaya refused to comply with and THAT is why he is in trouble. Abuse of power is abuse of power, and Zelaya is quilty of it
You seem to befriend dictatorships faster than me. Plus, the referendum isn't against the constitution. They were going to ask people if they thought the constitution should change. I fail to see how a democratic thing such as a referendum is a crime. You are merely asking people if they want to change something. Or are you saying the people of a country have no say in how the country is ran? Then truly, you are leaning into dictatorships more than I do. Plus, only the Hondurian court which is run by the elites who were in charge pre-Zelaya, find it Illegal. No other organisation in the world considers it so. You know what they consider Illegal, those darn fools? Generals who kidnap the elected president in the middle of the night and take him to a foreign country under the threat of arms, forge a resignation letter, shoot over an helpless croud (whose general strikes surely don't demonstrate the will of the people that the government is supposed to serve)... So many things they find illegal... The beautiful thing about this is, the coup will fail and the protesters won't resort to violence... Dictatorships... You're so amusing. Ps.: Here's a chalenge for you, find where in the Hondurian constitution kidnapping is allowed. That and imposed exile. Please if you find it tell me and I'll be sure to tell you that you're right. This was not a coup. Cheers...
The Organization of American States (OAS) has also condemned the coup, I think this happened this morning, but it could have been last evening. President Obama is far from standing alone, or "flocking with 'birds of a feather'" as first suggested by that cartoon submitted.
The only "dictatorship" involved so far is the potential one Zelaya apparently wants to establish through changing the Nicaraguan constitution. Of course you fail to see how a "democratic" thing like a referendum is a crime. Well it's not the referendum that's a crime, it's the way Zelaya wants to go about initiating it. If a US President wanted to add another ballot question to a US Prsidential ballot and simply had the ballots printed up withj an additional proposition on it, that would be against the US Constitution adn US Federal election law. Anyone refusing to support such an "end run" around US ballot procedures would certainly be justified in refusing to cooperate. If the US President then fired said person refusing to cooperate, and the US Supreme Court ordered the fired person reinstated, and the President refused. he would be quilty of exactly what Zelaya did; that would constitute abuse of power. If the US the forcibly removed the President from office, would it be a coup? the answer is noi; it would be a constitutional crisis, but NOT a coup. There has been no "kidnapping", Zelaya was arrested by the military. I have no idea what you are talking about when you mention forgery and exile, but that was apparently Zelaya choice. Now you can claim the Nicuagan Supreme Court is run by "elites" (name one Supreme Court anywhere in the world NOT run by "elites") but that is immaterial, it is the duly authorized and legitimate arbiter of law in Nicuagua and ruled aganst Zelaya. And you can claim the people "in the street" support Zelaya, but that's not what I'm reading. I read that the Supreme Court and the military has a considerable amount of support from the "people". I have a counter challenge for you. If you can find in the Nicgauagan Constitution, a clause which says the President can ignore a legitimate ruling by the Supreme Court and simply rule by decree, I'll concede that the government has been acting unlawfully. BTW, I get a kick out of your Leftist BS, too.
You two must be driving each other crazy. I can just see Google wondering WTF as you one up each other.
Again, not exactly how it happened. The ballots the General refused to deliver asked the Hondurian people if they wanted the constitution to be changed (actual question: "Do you agree that, during the general elections of November 2009 there should be a fourth ballot to decide whether to hold a Constituent National Assembly that will approve a new political constitution?") which, you won't find it illegal in any part of the world. If the people felt that the constitution needed to be changed then, on the November elections you'd have all candidates (Zelaya not being one of them) and, the question on "should a man be allowed more than one term as president?". It's not against the law to change the constitution IF that is what the people of the country in question want. Get your facts straight. A forged letter of resignation was made and Zelaya was taken in the middle of the night to a foreign country under the threat of arms. One of his state secretaries was killed by the coup perpretators. Venezuelan and Bolivian Embassadors were arrested (which IS in direct violation of the Hondurian constitution) and people don't support the current government. Try and find how are the factories working in Honduras and, by the way, how does the "new president" manages to enter the Presidential palace? Apparently by chopper only. The perpetrators of this anti-democratic coup have so much popular support they have to have tanks on the streets and shoot unarmed peacefull crouds with rubber bullets. It's a matter of time before they have to concede and reinstate Zelaya as President and it's a good thing too. People are sick of those who ruled before and can you blame them? Under Zelaya the minimum wage rose 60% forcing the Hondurian Olligarcs to pay a fair price for exploiting the Hondurian labour force. The decision of the court was not unbiased. They wanted Zelaya out by all means. I don't mean they have anything personal against Zelaya ruling. No, that's the least of their problems. They are more affraid of people actually having a say in how their country is ran. That's what freaks them out. It freaks them out so much, that they have to make the Supreme Court call a decision unconstitutional when it wans't. A constitution can be changed if the people whom it is suppose to represent want it to be changed. That's the kind of democratic principle you seem unable to grasp. The elites of the SC I was mentioning are a bunch of undemocratic conservative fanatics who want to hold on to their power by any means necessary. They don't have popular support of any sizable interest. I mean how could they? Zelaya helped to improve the living conditions and education levels of over 75% of the entire population. People are not stupid. The new self-imposed government is. This is real people we're talking about and I won't stand idly and watch someone protect something that includes exiling someone who did nothing wrong except helping to improve the living conditions of the Hondurians. It's the Democratic thing to do. Cheers...
