Medals from Argentina, real or fake?

Hi All!
A good friend of mine got these from his son, who went on a business trop to Argentina. I think they all look fake, but really have no experience or knowledge to back this up! Neither of us know what they are for either! They feel fairly heavy, but look too good to be that old. Have a look see, and let me know what you think!

Thanks!!

 

There are a few more here,








That's all of them! I know Carl will be here to check these out! Let me know guys and gals! I already clued him on to the possibility that these may be 25 cent trinkets! So let me have it!
thanks again!!

 

Just so you know Bigfun, the July 20th 1944 Verwundete Abzeige was awarded to the wounded of the Rastenburg bombing. It is extremely rare and the only genuine I have seen in my life is in the Bonn Modern History museum. This should give you a clue.......

I will give you another hint , the ribbon of the Mutter Kreuz is blue and white and has no red.

Convinced? Hope this helps

 

Yes that Mothers Cross doesn't look even vaguely similar to the one I bought my wife. Also the other award with enamel, the enamelling looks amatuerish compared to the high quality work found on awards, plus it looks too fresh, total lack of ageing to it.

 

Hi Scott, here is what I know:


The Mothers Cross. These were awarded to German Women for number of babies they had. It came in three classes-Bronze, Silver and Gold-each indicating a higher number of children those women had. This cross is a repo. The date on back does not look like dates should. Also, the back side is missing Hitlers "signature." All Mothers crosses I have seen-had his signature scrawl on the backsides-no matter which grade of Moms Cross was awarded. The signature scrawls were all exactly alike-or very close. Skipper is correct about the ribbon. The ribbon for one-is wrong colors and is much wider than the Moms Cross (thin Blue and White) ribbon. The ribbon on that one shown looks like one for a War Merit Cross 2nd class-but I can't see enough of it to be 100% positive that it is the WMC ribbon-sure looks like it though. Also, that ribbon is real ;-))
The paint in the arms and sides is horrible.

The "'1939 EKII" is fake. You can see the poc-marks in it's casting. Also has a horrible paint job-both center and rim. This is the cheap kind of fake that you might see used a reference material in Lumsdens "Detecting the Fakes".

The so-called Army "Breast Eagle" is bad-almost no detail. They also did not have a safetypin for attachtment and did have a pin and catch system and the pin was almost as long as the wingtips are apart. I've seen these used on Army Summer White Tunics. The LW of course-had their own version that they use on Summer tunics.

The next is supposed to be a NSDAP long service cross-and in this case-I can't tell for how many years due to no enamelling on the cross. This cross as well as the Luftschutze Medal, are cast fakes. You will notice all the holes and pock marks on them too.

I don't know what the red, black and white badge is supposed to be representing? Perhaps a cheapie version of the Cross awarded to LW pilots by the Spanish Govt during their Spanish Civil War service in the Legion Condor. That cross I guess is supposed to be a copy of the Spanish Cross-which is my best guess for that modern fake to be aping?

I think the next eagle pin is supposed to be a Political Eagle cap pin for the peaked visored caps. This one too is bad and has the wrong attachment system on it.

And finally, with Skipper being correct, it is the July 20th Wound Badge. They were little in number-about 30 or so? This badge is a poor cast fake. Again lack of fine details, pock marks and wrong pin system on the back. These "plot" wound badges were all made with exceptional details to both sides. The pin system was ont a 1 pics-like this one. I've seen at least two examples of high quality fake July 20 WBS and this one doesn't come anywhere close to the two. A July 20 WB was for sale for years over on the www.thirdreichdepot.com militaria website. I THINK theirs was priced at either $25,000 or $50,000. The ""experts"" on waf said it was a fake-whether they are correct or not? I can't say. However, someone liked it enough to shell out those multi thousands for it.

roger honts at mcf-has a high quality repo in his collection trying to pass it off as the real deal. Its widely known that he had a jeweler make his badge.

I sure hope your friends did not spend a lot of money for these?

Im no expert in anything but can sa these are crude repops. ;-))

 

Seems like we all have the same opinion Bigfun.

Some great pictures of German medals here + the old Prussian Friedrich II type music that goes with it

http://www.8thcallofduty2clan.co.uk/prelimgermanmedalstable.htm

 

I love it,

Sorry Bigfun, but I would agree to the other posters.

Regards
Kruska

 

ya the paint job on the iron cross is horrible

.......at first i was scrolling down pretty fast and not taking much notice of the photos, then i saw the 20 july wound badge.....i smiled....enough said

 

I saw a website a couple of years ago that was well done and very informative on the July 20 WBs even giving the names of those it was awarded to. Ill see if I can somehow find that site again and post the link here and in the Militaria sections if I do find it.

 

Yeah, not a surprise to me, as i stated in the original post. I feel bad for this guy, but holding them and seeing them, just reminded me of a cheap knockoff. I knew I shouldn't have done this for him, now I have to go tell him these are paperweights!

Thanks guys! Skipper, and Carl I appreciate the help!

 

Hi Scott, quite welcome and glad to try to help. If your friends are wanting to get into collecting-please let me know and ill give you info on dealers I have been buying from for at least 10-12 years now (all well-known and trusted) items will be the average to high prices that German stuff is going for these days.

 

Thanks Carl! I'll let him know!
Thanks!!

 

Well my wife has an interest in the youth groups and the mutter/kinder orgs.

The actuality is I bought the three main ones, and each of our three kids acquired them as gifts for my wife's last birthday, youngest gave the bronze, middle the silver and eldest the gold.

She was truly impressed, which makes a pleasant change.

 

Hello WotNoChad,

great present indeed!!

Whilst reading your post, this Mr. Beans episode shot through my head - she pointing at the ring - and Beans ending up buying the framed picture displayed in the jewelry show case.

So maybe your wife was pointing to that photo admidts those mother crosses - which showed a happy mum with 4 kids .

Regards
Kruska

 

Hi Scott, you know where to find me if they decide to keep collecting ;-)) I aint going anywhere for awhile.