Irish Sovereignty

Ah,Another Englishman telling us Irishmen our history...

 

Go on then, explain it. You have made several sweeping comments in here about the injustices in the north and yet you have yet to back them up.

Again, care to explain what this means? Firstly I'm not sure I like the slightly homophobic 'straight guy is right' thing but aside from your insulting tone it simply make no sense.

Probably a good idea when you've explained what on earth you are on about.

 

Stefan:dont ever even in your wildest dreams ever even entertain the idea of argueing the point with me,ok.

 

This may be a WW2 Forum; however, this thread is located in a "Free Fire Zone" and it is therefore free from obligation to pertain to discussion revolving around WW2 1939-1945.

 

May I suggest to some to watch what they are are saying, as soon or late this thread may will go bananas (if not already). some of you may say things they may regret and cause trouble for nothing. I will leave this open for now as long as you keep it gentle (this means do not threat fellow rogues...)

 

This isn't really an answer is it macker

 

All -- It is safe to say that this thread now has the attention of all of the moderators. Please tone down the rhetoric and stick to informed discussion.

 

Well asking and getting an answer are two different things.
It would please me no end to have this thread closed.This thread can go nowhere good.

As far as i am concerned this thread is baited and calling the north of ireland british is hugely and unbelievably insulting.You have your country and i have mine.
Also i feel no obligation to defend a united ireland and am unwilling to argue little bits.
My statements were perfectly correct.

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This thread could be an interesting and enlightening discussion but only if both sides are willing to discuss matters in a calm manner and back up their claims. If you are not willing to do that then fair enough, you didn't have to join this thread in the first place, those of us who are can continue to discuss whatever we like which is why I hope it will remain open for further mature discussion.

Indeed and part of the island you live on is in fact a part of my country. I know quite a few Ulstermen who find the idea of calling the North of Ireland 'Irish' 'hugely and unbelievably insulting' so I would say that both sides are fairly even on that score. The problem is that legally (and with the backing of a democratic majority) Northern Ireland is a part of the UK, not the ROI, hence to call the north 'British' is not only insulting but it has the added bonus of being true.

In that case why should we feel any need to just accept your points on trust? You cite no evidence, your statements are effectively meaningless. Of course you are under no obligation to defend a united Ireland however please, if you want to charge in on a rather interesting and impressively grown-up thread about the issue, don't make grand statements and expect people not to argue with you about it simply because you feel strongly about the issue.

Basically as with anything else we can either discuss this like grownups or throw our toys out of the pram and wind up with a closed thread. Quite a few folks on here (including myself) prefer the former, so let's go with that shall we?

 

Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom......not England



(in fairness you do say, later in your paragraph that Northern Ireland is in the UK,......it's just that i could'nt resist the first statement)

 

im sure stefan like me is aware of that andy. And remains part of uk as do i from the north and stefan from the mainland. Both citizens of the same country.

 

yes urgh, im sure stefan knows......i did say that in my reply.....i was merely pointing out what he had said.


many people call Northeren Ireland different things......and of course stefan and youself can call it part of england if you so wish....there is no problem with that in the slightest


i on the otherhand, do not think that to be the case......again nothing wrong with that

 

England... England... Flipping england... Its land of the blarney and thats me.. Mr. Blarney. All together now... Oh we're off to dublin... I do a good the sashe my father wore too mate but get hit on head with that one.. Told me mum i had a drink in orange club once.. She hit me too..

 

that's one thing everyone has in common..........pints !!!!!!

 

Where has Stefan or Urgh ever claimed that Northern Ireland was a part of England ?
Stefan has merely claimed it was a part of his country which is (to give it its full title) the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

 

yes i am familiar with the full title of United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland......i was under the impression that it was not a country in it's own right, but a sovereign or unitary state, which is made up of the four countries Scotland, Wales, England and Northern Ireland.

so it was my thinking then that, NI was not part of England but the UK....and stefen saying "part of my country" .....and looking at his location - which says "england" ......if you get where i was coming from?

anyway redcoat i even used a smiley face in my reply, i was not really involving myself in the original conversation of "Irish Sovereignty", and dont intend to do so.

 

Andy, I am well aware that NI is not part of England, the two are clearly quite separate both geographically and administratively. That said, since the term 'country' is a fairly vague term which can be applied to a variety of different types of geographical area the whole issue is quite open. You can call England a country or the UK a country and be equally correct, I was using the term to refer to the UK, perhapse I should have used the term 'sovreign state' if I wanted to be technically accurate but oh well.

 

Does this mean we dont get to beat poor andy up then? Come on andy join us in a verse of jerusalem... All together now...

 

:waving:........will do :lol:


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its all cool Stefan, all settled with a good game of football ......oh oh, i may have just opened another door :lol: