The German victims

Zayers findings are nothing new many on here own a copy no doubt many of us have taken part in threads of similar nature myself visiting the location of the massive camp and memorial outside remagan and discussed on here. Funny how they appear at certain times on this forum though. Usually the woodwork bends in May and September.

 

The Germans didn't give Hitler the majority of the Vote at very most he won (or his allied parties at least) 30% of the vote in the 1933 election How fair and honest an election this was looking back can't be said. Civilians can't be held responible for the actions of their governments It's the same argument that some islamic terrorists use for attacking US/Uk civilian targets (regardless of the fact that over 1 million people are said to have openly demostrated against the afgan war) Are you happy to accept the personal consequences of all your governments actions?

Hitler and his cronies also spent the first half of their time in goverment seeking out all those that would dare to speak out and sending them off to Dachau , there is no denying that many Germans were unhappy with Hitler.

As for the reasons for the failing of the Weimar democracy that paved the way for Hitler I'm sure there are plenty of posts covering that situation ( The seizing of the Ruhr , the saarland etc demanding of reparations by France) but to be honest no consessions where made to the Weimar when it requested them but Hitler had his way from the re-occupying of the Ruhr to the annexation of the sudeten lands and this appeasement went a long way to giving Hitler the respect of the Germans. Should not the innocent civilians of the war be all equally respected?

 

Without the reclassification of the POW's to DEFs then a very large number of civilians (German, French, Dutch, Belgian, Danish etc.) would indeed have starved to death.


Didn't the Danish offer the surplus they had to the Military authorites in Berlin after the war in 1945 harvest to ease starvation?

 

I do agree, but it seems to be an inescapable facet of 'modern war', as we have seen demonstrated in Afghanistan in just the last few days.....

 

Probably because those are well known, documented atrocities we are familiar with. When someone makes a post presenting information nobody has heard of, then yes, sources are necessary. Otherwise it is pure fantasy and a waste of our time. Thusfar, your posts are full of accusations, speculation and fantasy. You had your chance.

 

I was talking per capita. And per capita the Polish suffered a much higher ratio than the Russians or the USSR. The closest would be the Ukraine.

And the poor Poles got it twice since they also got to be "liberated" from the Red Army. (Much like the aforementioned Ukrainians)

 

Ah...ok! I see you're point now, that would make sense.

But does that really mean that they suffered more than anyone else?

Sorry, it's just that I've never been a fan of the "they suffered more than them"...in the end human suffering is human suffering.

 

I believe that this was only meant in a "quantitative sense", i.e. 1 person in 10 being killed is a higher rate of national "suffering" than 1 person in 100 (only examples). Sometimes these figures get a bit overwhelming, and persons tend to take refuge in "human suffering is human suffering". While that is true, the human suffering in a ratio to national populace alters the concept a tad, does it not?

National suffering (while tied to human suffereing), is tied to statistics alone and can be quantified, but only in that area.

 

Or in a smaller population the industrial, social.financial and yes emotive effect as a whole can be seen to be harsher on the smaller. A bit like comparing brit or usa casualties per populations.. And no im not starting ww3 honest...