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One down and many to go. OLDDs "Green" Czar resigns :-D

Discussion in 'The Stump' started by C.Evans, Sep 6, 2009.

  1. C.Evans

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    van jones, one of Obalmlama Ding Dongs Czars, has resigned and places the blame squarely on the heads of those @ Fox news-especially pointing out and blaming Glen Beck. I want to point out that Glen Beck never forced this dork to call all Republicans-A##holes-nor to force him to sign a petition that called for an investigation on the Govt about """"allowing"""" those 9/11 attacks to happen. Does he actually believe that people are THAT stupid to believe that he said that he never had nor ever will, support what that petition had said-as well as never having read what its contents were-before signing it? All of us are not Lemmings.

    I carefully read everything before I sign my life away. If I don't agree with what that something says, I sure a hell aint going to place my signature on it. IF I don't take time to read something especially requiring my signature on it--I DONT sign it. Cut clean and simple. So much for van jones and his""excellent"" education. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

    Anyway, one down and counting..........
     
  2. IntIron

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    One down and many more to go. I believe though we need to cut the head off the snake.(In a democratically approved fashion).


    Yours,

    Bill
     
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  3. brndirt1

    brndirt1 Saddle Tramp

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    Let’s see Reagan had 33 people in and out of 13 cabinet positions, Clinton had 29 people in and out of 14 spots, and Bush II had 34 in and out of 15.

    All for various reasons, including border-line criminal in some cases. How is this resignation of Evans over his self admitted embarrassing comments about the GOP such a big deal? It's not, plain and simple. He didn't want to let this crap thrown at him get in the way of the Obama administration.
     
  4. C.Evans

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    Hi Bill, DITTOs to that! ;-)) Counting down the days till the mid-term elections.
     
  5. C.Evans

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    Hi Clint. This guy became more than what they had bargained for. Simply, his mouth overloaded his assp. He was a scandal waiting to happen, the scandal happened even if it was some years ago. His past cought up with him and he paid the only price that could be paid-with his """resignation.""" I don't believe for a second that he willingly resigned. It was more of a "sign or be prosecuted" kinda thing--not that I am saying he was being charged with any crimes of anykind or anything like that. My biggest issue with this guy not only him being a liar, but also a self-avowed communist.

    No I aint on no Congressional "Witch Hunt" but, in case that guy had not heard lately? the USA aint a communist nation, as also in case OLDD aint heard lately-the USA aint a socilized nation either. We were founded as a Republic, somehow were in some way, changed into a democracy-which I don't agree with) and we NEED to go back to our roots and that is-to be called a Republic again. Our Pledge of Allegiance is: "I pledge allegiance, to the flag, of the United States of America, and to the REPUBLIC (not democracy, not comunism and certainly not socialism) for which it stands, one Nation, under God, with Liberty and Justice for all."

    Somehow, I don't thing the pledge above-is recognized by our new Fuhrer and his Goring wannabe, (aka) "Teeth" as well as Der Fuhrers Wife, and Many of Der Fuhrers appointed "Czars." This guy is trying to drastically change our great Country too fast and undermining our identity (for lack of the proper words at this time) and security, while doing so.

    I would take eight more years of slick willy-over these two buffoons who are now in office-anytime, anyday. And that is not saying much. I don't disrespect the title he holds, but I have no respect for the person that holds that title.

    Sorry Clint, this post is not aimed at you but just thoughts in general.

    Take care--Carl.

    PS, if I left any important words out-im tired and have a headache and don't feel like getting into deep thought just now ;-)).
     
  6. Stefan

    Stefan Cavalry Rupert

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    I hate to point this out again, but all 'republic' means is 'a state in which the supreme power rests in the body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by representatives chosen directly or indirectly by them.' Surely that is also part of the definition of 'democracy?' I'm not entirely sure where the destinctions are.
     
  7. IntIron

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    Dear Stefan,

    Democracy: If direct, it would entitle citizens to vote on laws and events, (e.g. war in Iraq, health care, taxes)

    Republic: We elect officials who we hope are going to represent what we'd like to see happen. They vote on the issues for us.(Although we still vote on state, county, and city issues to an extent)

    Yours,

    Bill
     
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  8. T.Walpole

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    Clint, Cabinet officials have Congressional oversight through the confirmation process. Obama circumvents the checks and balances laid out in the Constitution by appointing dozens of his left-wing cronies as so-called "czars"; Apparatchiks who hold executive power but are not accountable to anyone but the Great Leader.

    Can you imagine a character like Van Jones making it through the Senate confirmation process?!
     
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  9. brndirt1

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    Don't get yer shorts in a twist here. There have been "czars" appointed for decades, actually from Nixon's time on. How about these "cronies" who were outside of Congressional oversight:

    Donald E. Powell.
    Bush’s Czar to Rebuild Gulf Coast; see http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/01/us/01p

    John P. Walters.
    one of Bush's Drug Czars; see
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_P._Wal

    Karen Hughes.
    Bush's Public Diplomacy Czar; see
    U.S. Diplomacy

    Lt. Gen. Douglas Lute.
    Bush's 'War Czar' -- see
    ABC News - ABC News

    Then there's Bush's 'Copyright Czar' -- see
    http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,233
    And Bush's Spy Czar -- see
    Popular Articles, Stories & Photos for September 09, 2004 - Los Angeles Times News Archives
    And Bush's Heath Czar -- see
    http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/wash
    And Bush's Privacy Czar -- see
    http://www.internetnews.com/ent-news/art
    And Bush's Corruption Czar -- see remarks of White House spokesman Scott Stanzel
    California Chronicle

    Randall Tobias.
    Bush's AIDS Czar. See
    Asia Times Online :: Asian news hub providing the latest news and analysis from Asia

    Dr. Mark Dybul.
    Bush's other AIDS Czar. See
    http://blog.christianitytoday.com/ctpoli

    Richard Stickler.
    Bush's Mine Safety Czar, see
    http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/edit

    John Negroponte.
    Bush's Intelligence Czar (what a giggle) see
    http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnfl

    Mike Mcconnell
    Bush's other intel czar -- see
    Spy Master Admits Error | Newsweek Voices - Terror Watch | Newsweek.com

    Alden Munson Jr.
    Bush's Acquisition czar --
    see
    Federal news, government operations, agency management, pay & benefits - FederalTimes.com=…

    Otto Reich.
    Bush's Latin America czar -- see
    The GULLY | 404 Error | File Not Found

    Carlton Turner.
    Reagan's Drug Czar, see
    Drug czar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    David Stockman.
    Reagan's Budget Czar -- see
    Entries from January 2009 (Dealscape)
    and
    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/25/busine

    Actually the first usage of czar (a different spelling of the Russian "Tsar/Tzar" (from Caesar) meaning a supreme, absolute monarch) in it's modern American political form it was first coined by President Richard Nixon when he appointed the first "drug czar," in 1971.

    It denotes an appointed bureaucrat whose purview and portfolio covers an entire area of the national economy, area of government or governmental task force or effort e.g. the "war on drugs". Those guys were "cronies" too, why don't you mention them?

    The precident for appointing such men/women was set by Nixon, and never challanged as unconstitutional since. What do you mean Obama is "circumventing" the constitution? It (czar position) is a decades old, and unchallenged position. From Nixon on, this position has been used, in some cases the same man served different administations, even bridging party.

    See:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._executive_branch_czars

    Some Presidents appointed a new one, or replaced an existing one, but it wasn't until Bush II that the trend really took off.
     
  10. T.Walpole

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    I didn't say that Obama invented the concept of "czars". Other presidents have definitely appointed czars. I was against them as well. Obama seems to be taking the concept to a whole new level though. And the type of people he is appointing to these posts clearly show where he is coming from. A place which is at odds with much of the US population.

    I only mentioned it because you were talking about cabinet appointments which doesn't apply in this case.
     
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    He's a piker compared to Bush II so far.
     
  12. C.Evans

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    OLDD also has more Czars than Bush had in eight years according to the news. I forget how many they (and believe it or not? this was said on CNN-of all stations) but he has had some around 60 Czars according to them-which is almost double what Bush ever had. I can't say if these numbers are correct or not? because I don't care to waste two brain cells in trying to find that out or not? Im just repeating what was said when I just happened to be surfing the cable TV for something to watch after I got back from my exercise walk this afternoon ;-))

    At least they didn't mention anything about Fried Butter :lol: :lol: :lol:
     
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    I only have a verry loose understanding of what you guys are on about.. Suppose like our lord mandleson or admiral west in uk.. But my nomination for rebuttal post of the year goes to clint... More czars there than napoleons in a lunatic assaylum.. Im still on the floor...
     
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    Also, when I first posted this, I wanted to use the term "Medusa" in place of OLDD, but had not thought of it at the time. However, one of Medusas Snakes has been lopped off, and many more to go. And no, im not calling OLDD a female ;-)
     
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    i heard that ted nugent will be moving in shortly with his whole family
     
  17. C.Evans

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    That would be OK by me, because Teds not only just a Conservative, but a dyed in the wool God-fearing, gun-loving, meat-eating, Jeans-wearing Republican. :))
     
  18. Stefan

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    So when you say republic you mean what we would call a 'representative democracy.' Incidentally it is worth pointing out that China, the USSR and various other despotic nations are also, strictly speaking, republics.

    The followup question of course is 'ok, so the US remains exactly this kind of 'republic' so what is the problem?' In a nation the size of the US it is nearly impossible to actually consult everyone on issues, hell even the UK is too big, not sure how the US is being turned into a democracy rather than a republic.
     
  19. T.Walpole

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    A "Democratic Republic" or a "Peoples Republic" maybe ;-)
     
  20. C.Evans

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    Hi Stefan, that "Democracy" thing apparently happened when Roosevelt was Pres-not Theodore-but the slimy Roosevelt.
     

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