Operation Barbarossa - the UK is neutral and Japan attacks Siberia

Proof ?? : And, I mean : the quote

 

I'm amazed that you seem willing to state such things with certainty. Indeed given superior Soviet artillery, intelligence, and armor it's not at all clear that the Maritime province would fall.

 

Are you serious?

Between January 1940 and date of the German invasion the total Soviet export to the Germany estimated at 597.9 million Reichsmarks. The German deliveries accounted as 437.1 million Reichsmarks.[SUP][1][/SUP]
The agreements continued Nazi–Soviet economic relations and resulted in the delivery of large amounts of raw materials to Germany, including over 900,000 tons of oil, 1,600,000 tons of grain and 140,000 tons of manganese ore.
The German war effort against the Soviet Union was partially supported by raw materials that Germany had obtained from the Soviets through the 1940 Commercial Agreement. In particular, the German stocks of rubber and grain would have been insufficient to support the initial invasion of the USSR if the Soviets had not exported these products to Germany earlier.[SUP][5]
[/SUP]Throughout these years, the bulk of the imports from the Soviet Union consisted of raw materials equivalent to foreign exchange. For example, in 1937, 95 percent of imports to the Soviet Union were raw materials.[SUP][15][/SUP] Germany lacks natural supplies of several key raw materials needed for economic and military operations. In 1938, two thirds of German oil supply came from the United States and Latin America, while 52 per cent of German steel used imported iron ore originating from Sweden[SUP][16][/SUP]

• ^ p. 367-369 Schwendemann H. Die wirtschaftliche Zusamenarbeit zwischen dem Deutschen Reich und der Sowjetunion von 1938 bis 1941. Berlin, 1993
• ...5. ^ [SUP]a[/SUP] [SUP]b[/SUP] [SUP]c[/SUP] Ericson 1999, pp. 202–205
• 15.^ Schwendemann Heinrich Die wirtschaftliche Zusamenarbeit zwischen dem Deutschen Reich und der Sowjetunion von 1938 bis 1941. = Berlin, Wiley VCH 1993 isbn= 3-05-002382-1
• 16 ^ Martin Fritz German steel and Swedish iron ore, 1939-1945 Institute of Economic History of Gothenburg University, 1974 p.44

 

And how would it be supplied?

 

Again?

• We none of us know what is going on in that strange man's mind. We all know the German desire as he has come out with in his book [Mein Kampf] to move East, and if he moves East, I shall not break my heart, but that is another thing. I do not believe he wants to move West, because West would be a very difficult programme for him ... If there is any fighting in Europe to be done, I should like to see the Bolsheviks and Nazis doing it.
• • Baldwin to the deputation at the end of July, 1936, as quoted in Baldwin : A Biography by Keith Middlemas and John Barnes (1969), p. 947, p. 955.

 

Both countries where that close the USSR nearly joined the Axis in late 1940.

 

????
The Soviets had a supply system in place. The Japanese as the attackers are the one that will have more logistics problems.

 

And what did this supply come along? come on come on we can get there.

 

Railroad or trucks

How would Japan supply her troops.

This would have never happened. You can use the Molotov act as an example but then so could anyone who read Mein Kamp. Both Hitler and Stalin used each other for their means. Hitlers war in Europe would not have been possible without Stalin and Stalin needed time to c uild up. That was the extent of their relationship.

Would you align yourself with someone who publicly stated his intensions of destroying you?

 

In your dreams

 

What Baldwin is saying,does not proof that Britain would remain neutral,not that Britain wanted a war between Germany and the SU

 

About post 103:I knew(I am a genious) that he would use such irrelevant ;out of context figures:

Oil in 1940:
German crude production :1.45 million ton
Synthetics :3.4 million
Import :2.1 million (of which 0.8 million from the SU,the rest from Romania)

 

The German grain harvest was 24 million of ton (source:Tooze),thus an import of 1.6 million of the SU .......

 

140000 ton of manganese of course,BE is concealing that this is for 1940/1941:64800 in 1940,75200 in 1941,thus,its importance must be spreaded .
Later more .

 

Ohh doesn't it?
It seems quite clear to me.
Bother Baldwin and Chamberlain despise the Soviet Union.
They would never defend it from attack from Germany.

 

Rather proves my point.

 

No back to that thing called historical fact.
Hitler met with Molotov on the very subject in late 1940.
[h=2]Soviet counterproposal agreement[/h] Stalin told the head of the Comintern (Georgi Dimitrov, a Bulgarian) that, while Germany wants Italy in the Balkans, at the end of the day, it has no choice but to recognize that the Soviets have interests in maintaining Black Sea access and to assure that the Bosporus would not be used against them.[SUP][76][/SUP]
Stalin directed Molotov to draft a new pact with a much greater scope, including the division of Europe, Asia and Africa among the four powers.[SUP][77][/SUP] On November 25, the same day as the surprise statement of Soviet non-resistance to Bulgaria's joining the Axis and a potential Soviet joining of the Pact,[SUP][78][/SUP] the Soviets offered a counterproposal to Ribbentrop's draft agreement.[SUP][72][/SUP] It began with "The Soviet government is prepared to accept the draft of the Pact of Four Powers on political cooperation and economic mutual assistance."[SUP][72][/SUP] Instead of two secret protocols, Stalin proposed five:

1. that German troops depart Finland in exchange for a Soviet guarantee of continued nickel and wood shipments and peace with Finland;
2. a mutual assistance pact be signed with Bulgaria in the next few months permitting Soviet bases
3. The center of Soviet territorial domination would be south of Baku and Batumi (ports in modern Azerbaijan and Georgia, south of which are Iraq and Iran)
4. Japanese renunciation of rights to northern Sakhalin oil and coal concessions in exchange for appropriate compensation
5. Affirms that the Soviet-Bulgaria mutual assistance treaty was a political necessity.[SUP][79][/SUP]

The offer came concurrently with massive German-favorable economic offers.[SUP][78][/SUP] The Soviets promised, by May 11, 1941 the delivery of 2.5 million tons of grain—1 million tons above its current obligations.[SUP][79][/SUP] They also promised full compensation for the Volksdeutsche property claims.[SUP][79]

[/SUP]

• ^ [SUP]a[/SUP] [SUP]b[/SUP] Lukacks 2006, p. 65
• ^ [SUP]a[/SUP] [SUP]b[/SUP] Weinberg 1995, p. 201
• ^ [SUP]a[/SUP] [SUP]b[/SUP] [SUP]c[/SUP] [SUP]d[/SUP] Nekrich, Ulam & Freeze 1997, p. 203

German

 

Well it cant be rail as Japan would have cut the Transiberian railway.
As for trucks do you know the distances involved?

Sea and Rail as planned.

It was very possible and had Hitler decided to deal with the British first it likely would have happened.

If they where destroying another enemy of mine then yes.

 

A German attack on the SU only would be possible after a German attack on Poland,which would result in a war between Germany and Britain.

 

That's your assumption not a fact or even a well supported assumption.

The rail portion is as suspetable if not more to being cut than the Soviet rail system.