Nazi cakes....

Eliyokim Cohen's blog - AUSTRIAN PASTRY MAKER MIGHT FACE CHARGES FOR BAKING NAZI CAKES

Pastry chef Manfred Klaschka says 'If someone orders it, I make it.'; Holocaust survivors' group says this is exactly the sort of thinking that 'led us into the disaster 70 years ago.'

An Austrian pastry maker faces a criminal investigation for baking cakes with elaborate Nazi designs, a concentration camp survivors' group said after pressing charges on Tuesday.

 

Unfortunately this German/Austrian thing of banning Nazi stuff, etc. is just a restriction on free speech and will not work. You cannot legistate people to be decent, that requires education.

KTK

 

Call that little thing a Nazi cake?



That's a Nazi cake.

 

Whoa, now that is a Nazi cake there Poop.

 

Regardless of the design and Nazi symbols, that looks like a pretty tasty cake.

 

No wonder the Reichsmarshall was so fat!

 

Does one have to be a nazi in order to make a nazi cake? Prepared Kosher style I hope..

 

I cant say anything for that Chefs Baking tastes but, at least he has not done one of a Concentration Camp Torture Chamber-or some other gastly god-awful thing. Actually, I think he did a pretty good job on reproducing that flag.

 

I'm gladdened by these comments...you are a bunch of intelligent people here...and i mean that. Its this serious crack down on such things that give it power and becomes attractive to disenfranchised youth, who are looking for a champion. Ridicule is the only medicine...so to the Nazis out there i say "Let them eat cake".

 

I understand clearly what you all are saying, and it makes sense in many cases.. However, we have to imagine what it's like to be in the victims shoes. it may be just a cake or a nazi symbol, but it's still a symbol of hatred. I don't like any re-glorifying of any nazi flag in this day in age.. it is something that belongs in the past.

if we ban it, your right it won't go away. . But for many holocaust victims and families of lost WW2 soldiers...fighting to stop the re-gloification of the Nazis is all they got. There are no criminals left to persecute, all they have is a symbol. By not giving these twisted people the oppertunity to express their beliefs is some sort of closure or victory to those killed by the Nazis. i'm not sure if i'm expressing what i mean correctly, but I hope we all understand why this may cause uproar

i'm no better than anyone else here I enjoy reading up on the history of the nazis, and about it's leaders and militaria. The collections are quite interesting. And i think on a historical level, it's acceptable. None of us express any such beliefs and are lovers of history. Afterall, Knowledge is a power tool in learning from the past to have a better foothold in the future

i'm not trying to be the devil's advocate, i'm just expressing the reason why people would be upset. Remeber there is a much more darker past about the nazis. . It's much more than fancy weapons and tanks and soldiers. But before we ask what's the big deal, lets take a moment to remember why it's still a big deal.

The Nazi symbol may never die, but neither will the memory of it's victims die either. Just ask any ww2 veteran.

 

Hey Sonny...its worth remembering that the Swastika is NOT a Nazi symbol at least not in the true sense. The swastika has its roots in Asia, and is probably the second oldest symbol we know of...i think the "unk" is the oldest. It has for thousands of years been a positive symbol representing good. If there are people still alive who remember the war (aren't many left) then i doubt they'd be reading this stuff.
And also, worth not getting Nazis and the German Military mixed up. Few German Military were real Nazis...the Nazis were largely civilians...admittedly civilians who had power over the military. I think the media have just as much to answer for in terms of the bad image of the swastika....few people would recognise it today if it wasn't for them. And again i'll make the point that the Europeans don't have a monopoly on the Gremans or the Nazis...Australia fought (and was the first to defeat) the Germans...English, Dutch , Americans all had their German/nazi experience...my point is we all have a right to an opinion.

 

First and formost..

We all know I'm refering to the nazis. The swastika is of course older than the nazis.. in this case the swastika is the nazi symbol on the cake.

we had many discussions in the past here over the swastika. it doesn't take a rocket scientist to differentiate the two. We are talking about the nazis here.


2nd ..

I'm talking about the nazi symbol and it's followers. (skinheads, neo nazis..etc.) this has nothing to do with germany, it's soldiers, or culture. i'm talking about (neo) Nazi ideologies, victims of holocaust & war crimes. i'm sure everyone here knows that

3rd

And lastly, Sure you have a right to your opinion.. and so do people all over. But the point i'm trying to get at is why should the nazi symbol be allowed to roam freely? yea it's democracy but at what point do people draw the line on letting these people get the satisfaction of getting away with it. What I'm trying to say is that "freedom is not free", many fought and died on the battlefield and in camps because of the hatred & racist beliefs of the Nazi leadership.
All i'm saying is try to understand why people oppose the nazi symbol today.. Especially jews...


if there is a place it shouldd't be seen is in Europe because that is where it all happened. All over parts of Europe lay traces of the horrors of genocide. The forests and open fields of Ukraine, to the city ghettos and eerie death camps in poland, to the many homes and towns that were once liquidated of it's jewish residents. How about the millions of soldiers who fought and died over there fighting to stop Hitler.

That's all i'm saying, i'm not saying it's a terrible thing, it's a cake. But I get why people get outraged over these kind of things.

 

Well said Suzie. And, that's not a regular Nazi flag, that's Adolf Hitler's Personal standard. No confusing a Hindu symbol there!

 

AP carried this little note this morning....

VIENNA (AP) -- An Austrian pastry shop owner says he's sorry about baking cakes with Nazi themes.

Manfred Klaschka came under fire Tuesday when a Holocaust awareness group, the Mauthausen Committee, urged authorities to prosecute him for producing tortes adorned with swastikas and other Nazi-era symbols.

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News from The Associated Press

 

Items #21 onwards for yer actual Third Reich Cake Forks. SS & Himmler stamped.
Wittmann Militaria - Third Reich & Other Silverware
Terribly bad form to eat a Nazi cake without the right Nazi fork, and the Himmler ones are a bargain for only $695...

BTW; If anyone didn't look at the original article, and first think "Who the F orders something like that in 2011??" or perhaps laughed darkly, rather than a primary "What a terrible slur on free speech, & men that fought for the Wehrmacht, I must offer the innocent ones some defense here", I find that somewhat... odd...
Many other threads on here about the Swastika ban (which I do think is highly debatable & not something I agree with, though if that's the law in your country - tough luck if you broke it) and the culpability, or not, of German Soldier's for their master's crimes.
Does anyone have to leap to their defence so valiantly?
I'd assume we all know, if we've thought about the matter at all, that it's an exceptionally complex business.
(And it's hardly 'the media' that besmirched the earlier swastika, now is it, really?..).

Very interesting looking new book on territory relating to the depth of Nazism among soldiers has just come out in Germany:
Soldaten: Protokolle vom Kämpfen, Töten und Sterben: Amazon.co.uk: Sönke Neitzel, Harald Welzer: Books - Soldiers: Diaries Of Fighting, Killing and Dying
Not in translation yet, but looks like it may be an essential read for anyone interested in the connections between service and ideology.

~A

 

Good business plan, this baker sure got alot of free advertising.

KTK

 

I think he'd make a lot more money making less cakes like that and more cakes like these...

 

What about original ones?









This cake tastest like Sch..ss Eva!

Don't worry mein Liebe , Herr Goering will eat it, he never leaves a crumb.

 

Interesting thread on that topic. But the baker had to know that you will get in deep trouble if you make anything with Nazi symbols. Talking of this topic a bit to loud alone is bringing troubles to you. And much more if a jewish person is seeing or hearing this! I can understand the feelings of the survived victims or the next ancestors of the victims. It was a crime a horrible crime what the Nazis did with the european population of the jewish people, but the problem with the jews is that they never stop telling us "You are guilty!" and they are doing this very often. Not much of the young people can understand why the should be responible for crimes that there great grandfathers did and to be honest, i can´t hear that any longer. Yes, our Grandpa´s or great Grandpa´s did it but we did it not! And the jewish wouldn´t make the wrong decision if they would say" Its enough!" as long as they´re having a few symphaties over here. Don´t take me wrong, i´m not a Nazi or anything like this Neonazi crap, but if you be told the same over and over for more than 40 years than it is enough. Please take this as it is, my opinion and nothing more or less.

 

Your absolutely right Ulrich.. It certainly not fair to still be blamed all the time about what happened over 70 years ago. It's time for people to move on... However, it's still everyone's responsibility to make sure racists and raciial activity are stopped. It's everyone's moral obligation to not let these bastards get the opertunity to spread their hate.


it's not your fault Ulrich... it's not your fault!

Germans are really good people. And they got the best cakes too.



Ummm, das ist gut!!

Yay, hurray for deutschland!!!