Lakota Nation Secedes?-Drudge Report

Thanks for the info.

 

I was generalizing, with no intent to insult, because I was trying to express my admiration of Native Americans without going on page after page outlining and weighing the pros and cons of each tribe. Of course, there are differences in customs and people and beliefs. (I think you could say that you generally like or dislike the American way of life, even knowing there are many different people, traditions and beliefs, that make up that way of life, and make a point.)

I am repeating myself, I know, so I won't keep on about this, but I feel that my comment - my generalization - caused some offense and and I wanted to say again that it was not my intention. I'm a little surprised, to be honest, at the idea that being a woman may preclude my ability to see the positives in a culture simply because I might not have been treated well in that culture, especially since I didn't even think about this along gender lines. (Who knows, maybe I would have been born into a matrilineal tribe.) As I said before, many, many cultures and societies have repressed women throughout time and many continue to do so. So being a woman and treated as chattel, or worse, was the price I would have paid in many cultures - including my own.

Anyway, I am curious about this declaration of secession. What happens with this? Anything?

 

Much ado about nothing, I'm afraid that while many First Americans may agree with the "concept" of independent nations for the group most are realistic enough to know that it is a non-starter as a reality.

In addition to the flame-throwing Matt Drudge, there is another site explaining it a bit better but still not saying how it could be implemented in any fashion.

Goto:

http://deadlinelive.info/2012/10/01/secession-lakota-sioux-nation-leaves-the-union/

 

Just to be clear and not be mis-understood.....my comments that we should not generalize was just a thing so we would be careful......but I do not think anyone was offensive......I just wanted all of us to consider that it is such a complex issue if we realize so many tribes have their own cultures and always television shows and especially westerns paint a generally offensive and generally shallow view of some of our native citizens. I only see a big plus side to all the postings about this I have seen so far.....perhaps I am remiss for not expressing this at some earlier point....I have as much to learn as anybody and just living in my vicinity, I probably should be wiser about the natives than I am ........so at times perhaps I am projecting some of my own weaknesses as well when I comment.

Just a side issue for those who may be interested.....there is regularly held a rug auction that can be looked up on the web and I try to go several times a year, have always found a couple items of interest, bid on some and have taken rugs home that I believe will only increase in their dollar value as time goes by. If you don't believe this you can attend, see what the rugs go for, then look on E-Bay and see what the same quality of rug goes for on the international market. If you happen to go across the U.S. from time to time via I-40 you may want to someday time your trip to attend several of these auctions at this very rural location and you might happily find something you may treasure from this auction. You can get similar things from traders or E-Bay but check for yourself you will pay many times more than they go for here. I am talking about Navajo hand woven wool rugs.
Crownpoint Navajo Rug Auction, Crownpoint, New Mexico

 

Victor you have to see this !

LiveLeak.com - Amazing Reaction From Old Man When He Finds Out What His Navajo Blanket Is Worth

 

That was very interesting....thank you for providing it and I must add there is no small amount of work that goes into a blanket.....the most valuable may reflect raising the animals that provide the wool, cleaning, carding, and dyeing and carding it to enable it to be made into yarn, and of course the hand made looms are used to weave it with mostly traditional patterns. A lot of weavers today will make their rugs from a multitude of yarn sources yet even the most commercial yarns can turn out to be very valuable in a tight, traditional patterned weave.....the weaving artists each have their own styles and reputations and I am serious when I say they will all someday be more valuable because of the amount of hours that go into the making of these items. The skills and imaginations that create these designs have something to do with their culture of course and not just anyone has the unique inspirations they bring to all their arts. Around the world there are a lot of imitators so you must be careful in this market to get "real" weavings that are Navajo, "real" silver and turquoise jewelry that is Navajo or Zuni, as it has become highly profitable for many to use their name to sell their imitations that have very little comparative value. Millions are made each year by these imitators as plastics and metals can easily fool the eye, cotton rugs are often passed off as wool to those who do not bother to look closely.

 

That was very interesting....thank you for providing it and I must add there is no small amount of work that goes into a blanket.....the most valuable may reflect raising the animals that provide the wool, cleaning, carding, and dyeing and carding it to enable it to be made into yarn, and of course the hand made looms are used to weave it with mostly traditional patterns. A lot of weavers today will make their rugs from a multitude of yarn sources yet even the most commercial yarns can turn out to be very valuable in a tight, traditional patterned weave.....the weaving artists each have their own styles and reputations and I am serious when I say they will all someday be more valuable because of the amount of hours that go into the making of these items. The skills and imaginations that create these designs have something to do with their culture of course and not just anyone has the unique inspirations they bring to all their arts. Around the world there are a lot of imitators so you must be careful in this market to get "real" weavings that are Navajo, "real" silver and turquoise jewelry that is Navajo or Zuni, as it has become highly profitable for many to use their name to sell their imitations that have very little comparative value. Millions are made each year by these imitators as plastics and metals can easily fool the eye, cotton rugs are often passed off as wool to those who do not bother to look closely.

 

Sorry, my posting initially failed to activate so I hit the post button again as it remained frozen for some time, I waited and waited and as I was about to reboot suddenly I was granted two so if the moderator would like he may delete as needed(I don't know how to do that, sorry)

 

They are pricey at any outlets.....best to go to the auctions....I have not been to the Jack-a-lope but many from here market their arts in Santa Fe because of greater art audiences and tourists. There are a lot of different kinds of art...pottery and miniatures are affordable some times.....some people collect small fetishes that are very amazing miniature sculptures. These arts are exciting to me and many artists who sign their works are known around the world in these genres.

 

I agree, Much Ado About Nothing, but what do the “First American” and the “First Nation” people call themselves now that DNA research has indicated that the W. Europeans predate the Asian migration?

 

Nice to see this thread evolve....Will say my son is 1/4 Cree...I have worked on at least 10 reserves with Alberta Government Telephones, and as an alarm technician over the last 30 years. Have seen some disturbing stuff while on the reserve, and government had nothing to do with it...The Band Council are to blame. Bands are ripping the government and their own people off. Everybody knows it. People are too scared to do anything about it. There is no or little law on the reserves around here. The RCMP don't want to work there, and the vocal parts of the Bands don't want them there...We used to have to go on reserve with at least 2 guys. Kinda like Detroit.