Gun control for dummies

And as for you Poppy...You are in my estimation the smartest on the forum...despite your age you continue to ask questions (a sign of a quality mind) - The smartest thing anyone can ever say is "i dont know".
Which reminds me...

Average minds: Talk about people
Good minds: Talk about events
Great minds: Talk about ideas...

Open a mens magazine and compare to a women's magazine...oh i shouldnt have written that...

 

Who you calling old?..lol. We are an old bunch...The mild bunch...With age comes knowledge?...lol...Everyone here pretty much agrees.

 

All societies limit the "rights" of their citizens with laws. Otherwise there would be total anarchy. Most societies put the essential basic rights for security and well being of most/all of their citizens ahead of the minor "rights" of the minorities. For us Europeans assimilating the basic civil rights like freedom of speech, religion, right to trial and such with the guns is ... well, kind of bizarre...

The governments are ours to choose, to keep and to get rid of - or at least that's what they should be and normally are - at least in most of the developed countries. All constitutions are made by men, at certain times of history, and in all countries they need adjusting from time to time to keep them up to date to better suit the existing world and it's needs. They are not something which came from "heaven" and which cannot be touched - ever.

When US Constitution was made, one needed a citizen's militia. Personally I think those days are long gone and such need does not exist any moore, and the current "guns for everybody" -policy causes more problems than it is supposed to solve, but maybe it's just me.

As I wrote before I'm not against all guns - after all here in Finland we have quite a few guns by European standards and they are not extremely hard to purchase - but all countries need strict rules for who can get the guns, who can not, how is that controllod reliably and what kind of guns are against the common good of the society.

 

Thanks. I don't think I have (much) problems, but sometimes one does not even know it. Some small details might go past without being understood.

This kind of supports my case of limiting the rights when necessary...

 

Another problem with this is that we see a distinctly differet ratio of crimes. if you look at say crimes of violence/homicides in the two countries you get a very different number. Now what this means may take a fair amount of analysis but that doesn't mean that you can't get meaningful info out of it.

 

There's a saying: "For every complex question there is a simple answer ... that is wrong."

Even simple statistics can be non trivial to analyse.

 

It's the same with guns. A private individual or business can ban guns in their home, restaurant, amusement park, theater; whatever. That power is in the hands of the individual, not the government. You will occasionally see such signs at the entrance of a business.
One theory about the nut that shot up the theater in Colorado is that he deliberately targeted that theater because it was the only one in the area that prohibited concealed carry. It's easier to kill people if nobody shoots back.

 

My current retirement plan is to buy a 40 or 80 acre plot in rural northern Arizona so I can sit on the porch with an AR15 wearing a big hat, shooting at coyotes and damning the government. We're looking at property around Seligman. So, in a year or two, if any of our European friends visit the US and want to stop by and see how much fun it is to shoot various military weapons, feel free. I'll have some steel gongs hanging out in the pasture because you can't really count on a coyote when you need one. The big hat is optional but recommended, and you can damn any government you please.

 

Only if you have a jug...a spitoon...and a 7.62 Self loading Rifle. I'll have a go at a Carl Gustav too please.

 

I have a FAL, so it'll be just like old times for you! Of course that jug will contain bourbon, not any of that Scottish trash you people call whisky...

 

You people...you people...I'll have you know, some of us drink that Irish gold called whiskey...with an E...

But back to guns...I'll definately like to be reunited with an FAL. My problem with guns is not with guns its the licence process. We as you say can get em if we try hard enough...Illegaly I suppose you just need the money and right contact.

Legally, the paperwork and checking is probably about right even if I moan about it. A magistrate over here today is in hot water just for having ammunition found at his home. The licence system here seems to hold pretty much...The Dunblanes of our recent past are usually un licensed guns. I don't know enough about the college and cinema shootings you have to know if they are usually illegaly held firearms?
If so then the problem is the same but bigger due to populations.

But I will always stand by guns should be licensed...traceable..and allowed only to those that have NEVER had any mental health problems of any sort. This may not stop the shootings but it has to take some folk out of the equation. But then we get back to the its not mental health that causes the problem circle all over again...I believe that for someone to go into a theatre, college, school of any sort...Mcdonalds...with the aim and actually carries out these outrages, has to have a mental health problem...Stop it at source.

 

How cool would that be !

European folks wearing big hats, spitting, drinking hooch from a jug, pickin off varmints out west ! My money says they would love it ! KB just started a tour business....

 

Sounds like rubes at a Dude Ranch

 

Dont get me started about Yanks in the outback...hilarious.

 

The FAL is an old original Belgian G1 from the early 1950's - what we call a "metric" over here. Still, not much different than an L1A1. It's semi-auto of course, because you have to have deep pockets for a full auto and my pockets have holes in them. I had to re-build it from scratch and learned a neat trick to bring back ancient walnut to almost new factory condition. If anyone has an old WWII rifle they want to make new without losing the stamps and marks on the wood, I'd be happy to share that.

I live in that valley in the background.

 

Just go to Tower of London webcam...spot the yank....shorts...white socks...sandals...camera...hot dog in hands from the stall by Traitors gate...

I'll have you lot know too..the farming community in UK, would give anyone a run for their money where guns, hunting and wearing big hats and combat gear at night with rifles go....The town folk don't know they are living with a different folk once you get over the river and out of the housing estate..

I like this, we've gone from guns to where's wally? Where is A58 anyway?

I must admit for a country with no guns...you only have to go to a small village country estate on a Saturday to see nothing but city boys in plus fours and squirrel hats with a gun to the shoulder...

Left farm 2 days ago after sheeping and in yard stood 4 guys armed to the teeth...rifles not shotguns...going fox hunting...We do indeed have guns..the whole community I mix with has lots...They just lose them for a while when they do something naughty.

 

Was the UK forces rifle for years. Semi auto..single shot..supposedly cos the Brit is supposed to aim not spray...But on auto version its supposed to be pretty bad...once trigger pulled it pulls up in air to right? Never fired an auto version so going on what folk tell me. But as a rifle...I felt comfortable with this in held loosly in my arms...Tried the SA80 and first versions were like pop guns. A 7.62 hit in the leg was and is sure to kill on battlefield without quick treatment...as we were told..always best to wound...but aim to kill..you'll bring em down with a 7.62 not too sure how many from an SA 80 it takes to bring down someone mad on adrenalin or anything else.

 

When clearly the individuals/enterprises can not make the correct decisions to avoid the killings then the government has to do it for them. That's one of the reasons we have governments.

It's easier to kill people, if all kinds of nut cases have access to all kinds of guns...