GB EU Refferendum June 2016 - Should the GB stay or exit the European Union? BRexit

Being able to afford France, Germany (and other EU countries) as well as keeping ourselves well fed... :lol:...

If all your neighbours took all your money then insulted you and pretended like it was their money believing they're 'so good at making money' but what they're really doing is taking your own, you'd be rude too...
I'm not saying the EU is a bad thing, I'm just saying, who ever died and let France or Germany call the shots?
GB pays more, liberated Europe twice (Napoleon, Hitler), yet, all they care about is everyone being European Union citizens and controlling it all.

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This was also in that 2014 CityA.M. article I shared.

Do countries seriously think this is okay? Look at Greece, we all know an EU country can be fucked up and money hungry, now look at Germany. So blind in their 'money grabbing thinking that Africans coming is a bad thing' ways, I mean, France... Not really known for stuff that's not fancy, 'Oo la la' or French (France are cool though, Vive La France)! - and then Germany, the complete opposite; efficient, not known for the poetry because, the German language isn't poetic (when compared to the English language) ((English has a class system and broken English, German has neither, forcing them to take 2 existing words and not knowing any better than to add the two together for a bigger German word :lol)... - Now... History is why we're all here today, all of these European nations are forged with history. - Even London can be traced back to Rome, so, we're all pretty much fucked under the same tune (except Scotland when it comes to Roman empire but, Scotland when it comes to the EU)... Except, Scotland doesn't have a seat on the EU council like Flanders doesn't, they do, but, it's shared with others too,
Belgium... Head of the EU. The country where representatives snort cocaine in the lavatory then fight about needs of their own and working out what we all should do.
This is an oldie but Goldie from 2005 - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4685693.stm
The country between the 'oo la la' French and the 'Nien! Mine! Mine! Mine!' Germans, probably with two rods in it's back, one from Germany and the other France when it comes to the EU.

 

Actually, now that you mention it, Australia wanting to join the EU does ring a bell, but I assumed it was a slow news day and a poor donkey was murdered then dropped from a helicopter for that one.

 

Maybe I need to work on my Germany/Ben Dover relations...
I've had a German lover who I didn't pay but offered to pay me (I should have taken the money) and... Yeah.
(NOT FOR EU BUDGET REASONS), but for it... , But now that I think about it, I should have probably taken the money or that whole rebate thing.
Germany! I let you keep your £30! :lol:, or whatever it how much is was. - Real freak in sack, overly clingy in public, quadruple my size and old enough to be my mother! (not my actual mother who's old enough to be my grandmother)!

 

No, GB pays less than Germany. I've explained already what the article was about. You've clearly failed to read the diagrams or the final three paragraphs.

 

You mean, that money Germany take back, is money that Germany paid in?

I swear you missed the point about GB getting less than Germany.
Only thing we get is a rebate, that says... We don't have to pay as much...
We don't actually get anything. just the promise they'd take less from GB than otherwise they would have...
Where's the money GB receives from EU compared to Germany.

I swear, if you receive as much money from the EU as Germany then, doesn't that in turn make Germany weak?... How could a major contributor say to another major contributor, the only major contributor that receives less than Greece or Ireland). How can you say that's fair?
Either start paying GB or start admitting EU depend on GB money more than GB depends on EU membership with EU migrants are stopping refugees from coming to GB because of all the Europeans! - Since this IS a trade deal and, as an investment... IDK, maybe we should pull out, see how much money Germany or France can take with less backers? Clearly, it matters not to green slime that GB and other nations see a loss on their EU investment. Probably somebody sympathetic to Germany, so that's why the EU must end, BRexit, then FRexit and then a big Fuck You to Germany who'd be the only member of the EU once nobody else accepts how much they pay in Vs. how much they get out.

 

Now come on Ben focus and pay attention. You will be in detention doing lines if you do not pull your socks up.

But please does anyone producing all these figures believe the man in the street gives a damn about the statistics. The issues are; UK puts more money in than it gets back, UK services are being clogged up by migrants impacting on day today life, EU is dictating policy on further migration when the matter should be in the hands of individual Governments.These are the issues people will vote on not what% of which pot of money goes towards which contribution and rebate.

 

I don't care about Germany paying more than GB as much as I care about Germany receiving and GB losing.

I also think it speaks volumes of weakness for a country to be on the take from the EU, and rather than pay, I'd rather just stop giving them money, considering our different cultures.

 

Or nations get together to work out a united overall plan on how to deal with refugees (not 'migrants') rather than your preferred 'we are not taking any-you have to take them all, not my problem mate' attitude.
The moral of the story is if you break it (Libya/Iraq/Afghanistan/Syria) then you are responsible for fixing it.
I fail to see why (for example) Turkey should be responsible for the millions fleeing the result of idiotic western interventions in countries thousands of miles away.

 

But why? Only for peace.

If GB exits and EU sanctions GB, what war does GB start? So why would GB ever be sanctioned from the EU?
Why would EU ever sanction GB for exting?
We can always trade with the EU without being in the EU.

 

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I am sorry but I can not make sense of any of the above.

 

It's a common misconception that a GB BRexit will result into hardship for GB because of restrictions imposed by the EU.

I mean, if that were to happen, then GB wouldn't do them and war would happen.

The EU should serve as a tool for peace in Europe.

 

That may or may not be true but it is not anything I mentioned or even alluded too.

 

It is; Spoke to Polish coworker today about it, he likes to talk politics , he basically asked me if I was scared we'd be poor if we leave? I then reminded him that USA trade with the EU all the time (as well as others) and any restrictions on GB imposed for leaving wouldn't happen and we'd always get to trade with the EU.
... I guess you're right and I did digress a bit there; sorry about that..

... You suggested getting together and working out what to do about all these refugees.
Personally, I grew up and went to school with refugees - Go Croydon! , (but then everyone probably could have)? from Somalia and then, Kosovo; was sad still, horror stories people had). - I personally think the Prime Minister doesn't like these EU migrants claiming benefits in the UK... whether or not they stay or send the money to their home and whatever... I think, if we leave the EU, we can return to being ALLOWED to let in those in need again, like WWII ffs. - Why should some EU benefit cheats have what a refugee can have, and why is the continent so anti minority?! - I'd never know, or care, culture clash, WHATEVER!


Hmmm... The Prime Minister doesn't hate the EU, he is leading the Yes/Stay campaign, just it's migrants claiming benefits... and that's down to EU law and I think he veto'd SOMETHING, can not remember now what it was that he veto'd, but it was a big thing for him to do and he did that (David Cameron) as Prime Minister.. He said it was good for GB, headlines around Europe said BYE BYE BRITAIN... I can't remember what he veto'd...

 

The majority of big business want to stay in. These are the people who care about making money. If they decide that the UK contribution is worth it in return for the profits/advantages it brings then you are on shaky ground claiming otherwise. Not that I agree with the aims of big business but the claim we got nothing for our contribution is the little Englanders weakest argument. The majority of EU haters are that way because they dislike non-British people. Take UKIP the standard bearers for the cause. By and large this is the party of middle aged men of low education. We have UKIP Councillors in my area who post on local forums and I would be ashamed if my 12 year old granddaughter made as may spelling mistakes or had no idea what a coma and full stop were for. They ramble on making no sense about anything other than complaining loudly about Muslims and The EU in every single post they make on local issues. Even blaming the EU for dog fouling!

 

Well... David Cameron is bad for Business in Britain for the MNC and...

That is toxic for him.

Personally buddy - I may just vote EU Exit JUST TO most likely end his PM'ship... If we can't vote him out because he is the PM who made it so PMs now have 5 year terms and unlimited terms when before... There was no number of years in a term... (so, he could reign for a long time)! - But him leading the Yes, I think, if GB Brexit, he'd probably get kicked out by his cabinet or whatever happened to PM Margret Thatcher in the end? - Was born late 1986... and... Boris Johnson, exiting Mayor of London, US Born PM contender ("this country..." - Really UK)?..(can be born anywhere in the world and still rule it but I can't be President of the United States because, aside from a number of obvious faults, I wasn't born on US soil); could be the Prime Minister if no general election is called? Same ruling political party, different side of this referendum leading each opposing choice, Mayor Johnson was also tipped for Prime Minister after David Cameron before his recent SHOCK announcement of opposing the Prime Minister and leading the 'No, let's go!' campaign...

I don't give a 'hoot' about Boris Johnson for PM, but I do give a rat's A' for no David Cameron for PM given his stance on offshores and internet porn and him having sex with a pig, live that's beastilty! dead that's necrophilia! - ewl.
I'd keep my legal porn.

 

The argument is more like..

Why do they get a bigger piece than me and why do I give a piece that's still big?
I want my big piece. :lol: - y'know, doesn't take an Albert Einstein to work out that GB getting a rebate on it's membership isn't receiving like France or Germany do who are the 2 biggest RECEIVERS of EU money. our argument isn't about Muslims..
That's probably Germany or UKIP, we care about EU migrants claiming benefits, the PM wants to renegotiate free movement and welfare between the EU and Britain, and Boris Johnson is the chosen leader/puppet/guy that wants to do the job of leading our NO vote.

Just saying...

 

"Just saying", but what about sources? Facts are that the UK is only the fourth contributor far behind the Germans and the French and even behind the Italians. Alos by reding figures you'll see that Germany and France receive part of their OWN money back , not a cent of UK money, but that the media won't tell you . (see below , including sources)

The UK give far less than countries with a similar population. When you get the average net contribution of the GNB you get this : Germany -0,35 France -0.29 and Britain -0.25 (percentage of yearly GNB) . So they get ALL more than they give, not to mention other benefits of being in the E.U (like having European banks in the City rather than in another country) . The Brexit suporters will say they get more than we do , true but they give even more so in fact they get less....

Those who want to leave can do so . They can also take the refugees the EU holding back to preserve them from an invasion (Calais, Greece, Bruges etc.... ) The EU will take its money back (how does that sound? ) and give it to others instead and banks and companies will move elswhere. When taxes rise and employment will rocket, refugees will actually stop wanting to go there , and Britons may actually accentuate their immigration to EU countries , but would they still be welcome?

"The 2.2 million expats living and working overseas are also likely to be against a reform, with the potential of being forced into a situation where they are no longer able to live and work in their chosen country. An exit could see the requirement for residency or work permits, none of which are assured, resulting in the disruption of millions of jobs."

The question is does Britain wish to return in 1973 (or earlier) OR will they accept the EU (including the negative aspects) like any other member and face a potential better future together ?


https://www.expatnetwork.com/expats-concerned-about-the-uk-leaving-the-eu/

http://www.connexionfrance.com/What-happens-British-expats-France-Britain-EU-exit-11837-news-article.html


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_of_the_European_Union

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_de_l%27Union_europ%C3%A9enne

 

Are you trying to scaremonger here?

First of all, GB gets 60% less of the money compared to the continent so that's why we have a rebate... I mean... If you knew this, you wouldn't mention it.
You'd just accept and take it.
It's NOT about how much GB pays, it's about how much Germany receives! - The luxury of having their own money back!
Where's GB's own money back?

Don't you mean, GB will pull of Calais and send all those EU benefit cheats home?
GB pays for that border at Calais, not the EU, get it right.

 

If responsibility for breakage is the measure - America has taken how many? and what are the future numbers you will be importing?

 

Europeans can't alter American politics. Europeans can alter European politics.