GB EU Refferendum June 2016 - Should the GB stay or exit the European Union? BRexit

France is paying millions for Calais and since they are getting sick of it , they asked the British to pay at least a bit for it and they logically consented 22 millions This is a tiny share of what France is paying for this jungle.

The security costs are 150.000 euros a day , the new camp cos 25 millions, Eurotunnel has charged France 10 million euros for security costs related to migrants last year . Add to this 155 million paid by the Calais region and the tremendous losses by local companies, so please be careful when you say Britian pay for calais. The 22 million contribution was granted only a few weeks ago, the jungle has been around for years.
As usual my figures are sourced. This time by the Figaro (a conservative Newspaper comparable to the Times and beyond biased debate)

http://www.lefigaro.fr/conjoncture/2016/03/04/20002-20160304ARTFIG00007-le-vrai-cout-economique-de-la-jungle-de-calais.php

 

That's only been paid to France because GB might Brexit.
That money France take from the EU budget pays for it, so it's not like France paying or it meant using French money to begin with.
And well, we're an Island with out an open border, if they must protect the Eurotunnel, then it's their responsibility to do so which they have been doing, but where do they get their money from to do this? - EU countries like GB.

 

So you are saying the EU is paying the French police officer wages ? Interesting . When the French government becomes aware of this, they"ll hire more cops, solve the migrant problem and the unemployment situation at the same time. That's wonderful.

I don't get your point about Britain paying because they might Brext? Once again if you could provide some sources, it may be a plus to convince me and others,

The EU will contribute for 18 million euros to build a new camp (it will cost 25 million) this is added to the 22 million paid for by the British. France is still paying for the bulk, not to mention their contribution is not covered by what they get in return.

Over 2000 meals are served daily , , several refugees camps had to built throughout France to host the migrants . 275 Volunteers work there on a daily basis. Yes money is welcome, it's the least the EU and Britain can do. Colateral costs are not included (like organising meetings , convinve locals to host even more migrants, build additional facilities, renovate buildings, organise transports etc...). In the meantime tourist no longer come to Calais, businesses close and the inhabitants can't sell their homes because noone wants them.

http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2015/11/12/de-la-jungle-de-calais-au-camp-en-dur-ce-qui-devrait-changer-pour-les-migrants_4808628_3224.html

 

Following statements by Emmanuel Macron, the reaction of Britain did not wait. While the Minister of Economy threatened this morning our British neighbors not hold migrants who want to win Britain in Calais, in case of exit from the United Kingdom to the European Union, the country has allocated new aid "twenty million" on France in the crisis of migrants in Calais , beyond the human, the "jungle" of Calais has indeed borne a financial cost, particularly by the State French. The assistance of 22 million awarded by Britain to face the crisis of the Calais migrants is it comparable to expenses of France?
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There mon ami.

 

But language like
'Jungle'
from France about Calais is borderline racism.
or complaining that GB lets Africans into the EU from Germany.
They don't say poor people, those who claim benefits, they simply think it's okay in 2016 to call them Africans and to suggest that them coming is a bad thing. http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/653145/Germans-DEMAND-Britain-leave-EU-haute-show-more-sausage
They criticise GB for being too tough on EU migrants in the GB.

But everyone knows this how they feel in Germany or France





I guess the less we can let in 'Africans' and refugees, the more we can let in EU migrants huh, who claim benefits and send money home.

 

Why would Britain pay for a "refugees'" camp in France? No-one asked them to go there, no-one asked them to come to Britain.
They're not "refugees" they're economic migrants, since they've already travelled through several safe countries before arriving in France. IMHO most of them are chancers using the ME situation as a convenient excuse to migrate.

 

Noone asked them to come to France either and since the Greeks can't stop them France is the last border before the UK. They are in France because others couldn't stop them and because they want to go to the UK .

 

This is misunderstanding . The term "Jungle" is used by volunteers who precisely denounce the conditions in which migrants live. Your illustration is from Charlie Hebdo , you can't blame them to be racist either, or do you ?

 

That's the point I was making, Skip. They're not "refugees" because those have no choice over where they end up to avoid a war. The fact this bunch are working their way through various safe, stable democracies in order to get to the UK proves they're nothing but a bunch of chancers.
Therefore the UK shouldn't be contributing a single penny towards any camp in France, and the French Government should be working harder to discourage/disperse them.

 

I'd call the 22 million a contribution. It's a welcome one indeed, but expenses are much higher I'm afraid. (see links in my earlier posts) .

 

Dispersing them means welcoming them in camps in France, which isn't a solution either. Besides they refuse to apply for refugee status in France . Throwing them out means they return withing days, so it's an eternal monopoly.

 

Well, since they refuse to apply for refugees status, they're not refugees, so bung them on the first plane back to their point of origin.
The western bleeding hearts can whinge about it all they like.

 

This is actually on my door step, you take a right from mine, walk to the bottom of the road, cross the zebra crossing and; here you are:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHHZS8tRqJE
I don't care that other countries in the EU don't contribute to this.

 

Well if you believe the UK will send those migrants back after a Brexit . I'm afraid you'd only have more.

 

The idea is stop them getting here in the first place, Skip.

 

Brings us back to Turkey and Greece indeed.

Guys I enjoyed discussing this with you , but I have an appointement and I'm about to have a little break + taste one of Gordon's raspberry beers. I'll be back in while and will be happy to join in again , keep the discussion gentle in the meantime.

 

I believe EU migrants will have to apply to stay once a BRexit and no more can walk in without going through immigration.
As I said, I don't care about refugees coming, let 'em.
EU migrants on the other hand - Naturally we have to draw the line somewhere, and it seems like the poor and the needy should come first, and if you're from a poor country in the EU, that doesn't qualify you as either poor nor needy.

 

I say those who dropped the bombs and sent the explosives should fix the mess they made.
If you want to 'punch above your weight' then shoulder your responsibilities as well.

 

That goes without saying.
But since you said it;
"I agree."
-Ben Dover

 

I just saw myself at the polling booth in June deciding;

Ben Dover voting on his EU membership, episode 1.​

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"Monika!"​

Polling station
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Ben Dover
Ben Dover's mind (Voice Only)
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Ben Dover is seen standing in a polling booth with a pencil, thinking.​

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A ballot sheet can been seen.​

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'Should the United Kingdom stay in the European Union?'​

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Ben Dover is seen standing in a polling booth​

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BEN DOVER'S MIND (VOICE ONLY)​

Hmm.. Should the United Kingdom stay in the European Union?​

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Ben Dover has a realisation.​

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BEN DOVER'S MIND (VOICE ONLY) (SHARP)​

Do I still want Monika coming and moaning to me about her shitty life?​

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BEN DOVER'S MIND (VOICE ONLY)​

Vote yes for Monika coming, moaning, and whining to me about her shitty life? Or​

- vote no; Send Monika back to Lithuania?​

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Ben Dover smerks​

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BEN DOVER (SMIRKING)​

Heh heh heh heh​

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