Bush

Hey Roel, can we say bloody on a post and not be sanctioned? I believe in England it's considered a sort of swearing. Am I correct my English friends or am I off base?

 

I would like to reply to all you presenting stats here.
From WW2 onwards, the value of the Dollar has dropped every time a republican president was in office, and risen every time a democrat was in office. Even Reagan's great economic boom slacked off so steeply that at the end of his term the Dollar was back below the value it had started his term with.

I believe that the mistake in redistribution of wealth is not the idea but the execution of it in the US. Here in Europe it has worked perfectly most of the times, and when taken too far it was cut back effectively but responsibly. For some reason the US just can't get such a program to work, and I think this is largely caused by the conservative elite who believe that it can never work and are therefore unwilling to give their money and cooperation.

 

i belive that this proplem of setting up the redisribution of wealth is all stemed in the fact that the goverment does not work for such a large country. in places with the same type of govement the population is smaller and cna get a hold of the redistrubution.

 

But I all ready did do that, please see my earlier posts on the two books I quoted.

By the way the USA created Osama Benladen (FORGIVE IF THE NAME IS SPELLED INCORRECTLY). That is where he was trained to lead against the Russian invasion. Why do you think the USA when they first attacked the camps in Afghanastan that the USA military intell knew where to send their bombs at just a fasat rate? The USA CIA built the bloody camps, with American tax dollars, then blew them up saying they were going after the terrorists responsible for 9-11. That's common knowledge.

 

It may be a great irony and a horrible thing but it can't be helped any more. I'd just say take the facts as noted and go on. You can keep saying the US created these camps and trained these people but that certainly won't change anything in the US or among the terrorists.

 

Although the US is a very large nation (over a quarter billion people) I don't think you can say our government works improperly.

There is no elite Republican conspiracy.

There is, however, an elite group of democrats who use their influence and wealth to sway voters. This site is run by various hollywood personalities.

http://www.moveon.org/front/

 

Sure I can, I did say it, the American Government does not deny it. They created these camps to teach the Taliban how to fight a successful gorilla warfare campaign against the Russian occupational forces in Afganistan. The CIA convinced the American government to sell the hand held surface to anti aircraft missles, that worked very well.

This was part of the Iran Contra afair, brought before congress of the USA. Oliver North testified to his following orders, and prooved it; which came from his superiors which can only come from the President at the time. It's all there in plain site, therefore its not a conspiracy.
Conspiracy confirms an aspect of secrecy, it was never a secret therefore the conspiracy is not one of action but one of silence.

 

:lol:
I think that should read Guerilla warfare... Whatever. What you're saying more or less agrees with what I said: It's true and clear, so why make a point of it?

 

Hmm, that sounds, eh, odd! Have you got a source for that statement, Roel? Besides the Dollar's weakness tends to aid the US economy, you know - more exports due to the lower prices (for the buyers). So a "weak" Dollar, and an inflation that is held in check, is actually very good for the US, I'd say.

Another rather important point regarding the value of the Dollar is oil. The value is closely tied to the price on oil, since most deals, if not all, are made in Dollar, so the policies of the President and/or the head of the Federal Reserve are sometimes not the factors that determines the value of the US currency.
Second, the Dollar is a reserve currency in most of the world, so a lot of governments, large companies, banks etc etc has a lot of Dollars floating around - so when they make deals, sell assets, unload parts of the their currency holdings and what have we the value sometimes fluctuates too...

Best regards!

- Mr.B.

 

Actually, MP, they did not! There is an important difference between the Taliban and the Mujahedin! The US trained and equiped the Mujahedin, not the Taliban! The Taliban is more of a Pakistani (and/or Saudi) invention, I'd say! I'm not even sure the Taliban existed during the Soviet-Afghan war...

Best regards!

- Mr.Bluenote.

 

Actually I did mean to spell the word as gorilla. If you can't communicate peacefully then beat them into submission. I should have made that clearer, sorry.

 

I stand corrected on that name, Mujahedin, it is a heat of the moment typo; however I stand by everything else in the spirit of my context. The major operative of that organization was? You should know he was and still is a Saudi prince!
Apart form that one single aspect of my argument the rest is based on Oliver North's testimony. If you want the proof then you do the research, I've done mine. Unless Oliver North lied?!


- Mr.Bluenote.[/quote]

 

Sorry bout any confusion but the USA government did have and support dealings with Benladen (Spelling). Clinton has been quoted and recorded, in his attempts to eliminate his mistakes in dealing with this monster. Again I won't do your research for you, that's up to you not me.
As for my sources please look into the Library section, I have them posted.

 

Yes you are correct, I appologize for not responding to this earlier but this part of the forum has moved at light speed. Remember that the Americans installed the Shah after assainating the democratically elected government.
Just like the USA government, influenced by huge money, old money, backers of USA foreign policy, did in Central America.
It's not the American people taht are the evil doers, its the ones behind the scenes that are the evil bastards.
I generally like the American populace they're just like the rest of us. They want to go to work, in a good job, raise a family in safety and peace and watch their chidren grow up and better themselves.

 

My source on this is an article I read in a highly regarded Dutch newspaper, which is only moderately left-wing in its opinion.

Certainly, but these countries are not affected by the US presidency when it comes to the parties currently in office. I can't believe that they caused this kind of fluctuations in such an obvious pattern over 50 years.

 

This is very true, before the fall of the dollar the we were only able to import most of our goods. with a falling dollar it makes it profitable to export goods.

 

I will be voting for Bush, even though I do not agree with all of his policies.
Besides, John Kerry is a far worse choice. I believe some Democrat voters will either vote for the Green party or not vote at all.

The latest polls show Bush leading, Kerry short behind and Ralph Nader (of the green party) trailing with about 11%.

I did see some of your old posts saying that there was no 3rd party in the US. The green party would be the closest thing we have to one.

 

Yet, the closest thing we have to a third party pulls in how many votes? Not enough to win, just enough to stop democrats (who, I agree, are not great but much better then Bush) from winning. What happened with Gore v. Bush?

 

Yes this post does move fast.

Let me get this straight, you're saying the governments of Iran and Central America (any country there) were Democracies? Iran had a parliament from 1906 to 1921, but still had a Shah. And Great Britain held sway then, not the U.S. And Central American democracy??????

 

If this indeed true, I would say it is because the Republican Presidents realize the value of a lower international value for our dollar in increasing U.S. exports (makes them cheaper) and cutting U.S. imports (makes them more expensive).
Re:Redistribution of wealth, the more it's used the more it chokes an economy. It's basic economics at work.