Why bash America for coming late to WW2?

There was a huge organized number of Nazi chapters in the USA before WW II. Do your homework old boy!

 

There was a huge organized number of Nazi chapters in the USA before WW II. Do your homework old boy!
Here is part of my proof, like I always do. Enjoy!

http://www.tupbiosystems.com/articles/bush_nazi.html

 

As there was in Britain. Ever heard of Mosely? He was VERY popular. Why don't you do YOUR homework? Just because Mosely and his cronies were around doesn't mean that was the mood of the countrymen and women in Britain. You are very easy to argue with sunshine. I pull apart each and every one of your silly points. There were communist chapters in Germany. Does that mean Germany was a communist state?

I have just pointed out to you the mood of America in 1940 and 1941.It's there in black and white.Just watch any old film from those days. Lets see if we can find a similar pro Nazi body of work in America shall we? Happy hunting.

You bet your bum I have a problem with Scots and Irish living and working in England yet still having a chip on their shoulders regarding England.I have encountered quite a few. I admit that. Why don't you be honest with yourself and admit you have a chip on your shoulder about America? From your comments it's clear that you do. You have gone from WW2 to Iraq very quickly yet still in the same vein.

Why not bash the Soviet Union for the same reasons you bash America? The Soviet Union did not lift a finger to help Britain in 1939 to 1941. There was no pro Britain rally cry in Russia was there? Indeed the Soviets even helped to carve up Poland in 1939. The Soviet Union was attacked by Germany. That's why they entered the war. No other reason yet I never hear the Soviets getting bashed in the same way the Americans do.

Sorry but the fact that you have not commeneted on the British taking too much credit for WW2 or the fact that the Soviets only responded when they were attacked or even the lack of action by these 'decent' 'helpful' nations of the world with regards to the likes of Rwanda leads me to believe that you are a damn hypocrite and an America basher pure and simple.

Please do not bother to respond further. Your arguments are ridiculous and those of person with a set agenda.

I'm not interested in wasting further time with somebody who picks and choses what to get angry about and conveniently leaves out everything else. If you want to start another thread then do it but don't say I'm wrong for sticking up for America. It's my point of view as an Englishman and I am entitled to it if I genuinely believe what I have written to be the truth which I do.

Thank you and g'night.

P.S)You earlier stated most of the world hates America. Would these be the same people who would jump at the chance to live there if they were given the opportunity?? I laugh at the irony of your comments.

 

Well, as one small example, the Home Guard (or LDV as it was) received an awful lot of weaponry from America - private citizens were encouraged to donate any 'unwanted' handguns & ammunition, and bins were provided for these in most drugstores.

Factor in the enormous morale-boost the Home Guard provided, and that they are armed with american-donated weapons...

 

There was actually an American unit of the British Home Guard in 1940. The American Ambassidor of the day (Kennedy) wasn't keen on them since he was afraid that if (or in his opinion when) the Germans invaded they would take a pop at any Americans they came across.

 

HA HA HA HA HA HA . You really slay me! When you learn the art of debate let me know, I'll pull your you know what out for you.
I've backed everything up with literature, web sites, governmment documents, testimonials etc. All you've done is post a lot of air.

By the way yes I do know of that man and the organizational monies that supported that chapter of the Nazi party in Great Britain, but we were discussing the USA backing the resisting Europeans in a spiritual manner, while the rest of Europe was being slaughtered.
Those Americans that came to Canada to volunteer their ability to fight for a cause they believed honourable and virtuous I salute, with full honours and are welcome at my table. The summerizing reason, and its a huge summary of course, America stayed out of WW II for so long is because its electorate wanted it to."Its their war, not ours".
The USA president of the day, a fine leader, knew better but was hog tied by congress, who represented their constituants as they were directed to.

Unlike you I will continue to back my arguments with as many facts as possible. When I'm found to be incorrect I will admit any error. If someone can show me or tell me that a view of mine is incorrect then I see it as learning, not a time of puffing out my chest like an English Peacock.

Cheers!

 

Fight fight fight

Joking lol


:lol:

 

Well, I say that America gave a lot more than "spiritual help" to the Allies prior to December 7, 1941. The USA sold weapons to Britain in spite of our neutrality laws, then gave weapons to Britian under the Lend-Lease Act; this last was also extended to Russia after the German invasion. America also exchanged fifty old destroyers for leases on bases on British territory, a major help to the hard-pressed Royal Navy (yes, I do know how much work had to be done on the ships before they could be used, but it was still a help to the RN). Repair work, overhauls, and refits were also done to British warships in American yards, again despite our neutrality laws. The US Navy escorted Allied convoys halfway across the Atlantic top the Mid-Ocean Meeting Point (MOMP), again taking some pressure off the Royal Navy. So I say that America did a lot more than just cheer the Allies on before Pearl Harbor.

As for Iraq, Lyndon is quite right. Despite the media's attempts to portray the war there as a bloodbath, our losses have actually been remarkably light. The US Marine Corps lost more men killed in 76 hours during the invasion of Tarawa in November of 1943 than we have during our entire war in Iraq. This does not lessen the degree of suffering felt by all the casualties and their families, of course, but in discussing events in Iraq, we need to keep things in their proper perspective.

 

Quite true, however, after Pearl Harbour, I believe they or some of them were given back. The point that mutant poodle is trying to make is that if America wanted to it could have changed it's laws and joined in. If and it is a big if. America had joined in then the Nazis may not have been as bold, On the other hand America wasn't ready to fight and might have been a hindrance.

(wow even Friendly to the septics).

 

Once again, Mutant Poodle is completely wrong. There is no such thing as an English peacock. Peacocks are native to Asia. Certainly not England.

http://www.gotpetsonline.com/peacock/pe ... asant.html

(just trying to lighten things up lads :lol: )

 

A declaration of war, or even a real show of force, would never have gotten Congressional approval before Pearl Harbor. The fight FDR had to make just to get the Lend-Lease Act passed is beyond belief.

 

Like I said before, why soley bash America and leave the Soviet Union alone? Why do the Soviets never get criticised for doing zip until Barbarossa?

 

Because bashing America for anything is quite fashionable these days, my dear sir. 8)

 

I wasn't speaking about FDR but the American congress and hence the American public. I am also not taking Mutant side (fully) but hopefully a more objective view.


had America on the whole wished to join in WW2 then they could have done, This is alos the point Mutant is making (I believe) Some (numbers not known) Americans went north some to South Africa and the Caribean Islands, it is also believed that the FBI sometimes didn't look too hard for these Americans. But on the whole America saw the war as a non of my business thing. This is the Crux of the matter. (I think).

 

Essentially. Isolationism was more or less at its height in the period before Pearl Harbor, both in Congress and in the public at large.

 

But is that worse than what most European countries did? Did Spain/Sweden etc not stay out of it completely??Italy,Hungary,Romania jumped on the German coat tails for a share of the spoils. In Italy's case they changed sides whenever it suited them. :lol:

The way I see it, it's not as if America totally had a couldn't care less attitude or sided with the Nazis. They most certainly didn't. Others have already pointed out some truths and as I said before Hollywood actually was a great comfort and moral booster to the British public during those times. Winston Churchill claimed that the movie Mrs Minever was one of the greatest pieces of propaganda ever.

The classic movie The Sea Hawk was also an unashamedly pro British piece.

I can't go along with the idea that America did nothing. That's plain nonsense.

Where was Mother Russia for Britain?

 

Ya I guess I should lighten up too.

When it comes to Stalin, I find that talking to many Russian and ex-soviet citizens that now live in Canada Stalin was a dictator, a murderous one at that, and that he ordered the systematic murder of more people than the Germans killed in WW II. In fact because of his purges the economy of the Soviet Union, at the begining, caused In the Ukraine, acts of cannibalism. :cry:

 

Ah, there is light at the end of the tunnel.

 

Far off events in a far off country...
Does that sound familiar, Mr Chamberlain?

Nobody really comes out of this blameless.
UK & France should have stopped Hitler earlier.
USSR should not have sided with Hitler to carve up Germany.
Canada should, um, well, ok, they did nothing bad... ( )

Mostly it was public opinion that stopped these things from happening (except for the USSR, and Germany/Italy). Pacifism was the in thing, and most people believed (thanks to clever propaganda) that Hitler was entitled to reclaim the losses of Versailles.

In terms of the neutrals -

Spain would have been on Germany's side, if it had not just fought a bloody Civil War with 1,000,000+ dead. It would have been a second Italy - poor equipment, poor motivation, but a good strategic position.

Sweden, Switzerland, how could they have helped? Sweden would have been overrun as quickly as Norway. Switzerland would have been a harder nut to crack, but would the Germans have been too bothered by them?

Ireland?
Well, as they hated us English, they may even have joined the German side. But whatever they did, they would not have been much help initially, save as a recruitment base.