BESt battleaship/battle-cruiser?

what exactly is the best battleships of u compare all of ww2 battleships together and made them goes against each other.

 

That is quite difficult question because it depends on so many different things. For instance weather, day/night, ships condition/upgrade status, suprice element, sighting distance etc.
But all in all, Iowa -class ships are definitely one of the best ships in any condition.
Suprisingly, japanese Ise-class ships after last conversion might win in this kind of ship vs. ship -situation.

 

Yep, gotta go with Iowa.

 

Three possible answers.

1) Pure performance. It probably has to be one of the later American battleships the Iowas. Once released from treaty limitations these vessels were be fast well armed and armoured an excellent all round balance. In a one of one open water engagement these vessels are probably going to be at least able to give as good as they get against all comers.

2) Historical Record: HMS Warspite, Jutland, Second Battle of Narvik, various in the Med and finally not even the breakers yard could take her without a fight.

3) Looks. Has to be the ill fated HMS Hood. Beautifull lines that no other cap ship can compare to.

 

Raw force, the Yamato. But the Iowa class had much more potential, was much more advanced and just about as powerful, so I'd go with them.

And for looks, nothing beats the Bismarck!

 

The German Pocket-Battleships did ok.
They certainly took a lot of effort to kill...

 

Naa they just over gunned heavy cruisers. The popular press got their knickers in a twist about them before the war but in service they didn't do that well since the River Plate showed that treaty cruisers could take them on and later battleships stripped away their original speed advantage. One of them got driven off by destroyers another had to leg it from Norwegian coastal defenses during the invasion of Norway.

 

But it took a right pounding from KG V Battleships, plus torpedoes, to get rid of them.

 

I think we're talking at cross purposes here.

The pocket battleships were the three Deutschland class vessels. None of them took on a full battleship during the course of the war. The ship that came on the receiving end of HMS Hood, HMS Prince of Wales, HMS Norfolk, HMS Dorchester, HMS King George V, HMS Rodney and dozen plus swordfish torpedo bombers was Bismark, a full blooded battleship

 

Those Deutchland -class ships were not only overgunned cruisers, they were also slow cruisers. With 26 or so knot speed they were definitely slower than just about any other cruiser. With standard displacement around 12000 tons they were 20% over "legal" limit but still inferior to any real battleship or battlecruiser. If one of these pocket battleships had meet Repulse or Renown, ensueing battle would have been short and onesided.

 

When they came into service there was a lot of of fuss about them being faster than anything stronger and stronger than anything faster. When they came into service there were only three exception to that, the three British battlecruisers. By the time of the war however the French have at least two battlecruisers that could catch and sink them with ease and the British King George V have just enough pace to overhaul them (27Kts design 28kts achieved).

 

Actually there was 4 more exceptions to that "faster than anything stronger and stronger than anything faster", Kongos. Before their second rebuild they were 27 knot ships, after that second rebuild in 30's they were 30 knot ships. But they weren't quite probable opponents to Deutschlands. So, considering that, there was only those three exceptions.

Edit: actually three of four kongos were faster than Deutschlands when Deutschlands came into service. Forgot that Hiei was cadet training ship in mid 30's. Damn this nitpicking

 

Ahem.
Yes.
Sorry.

 

I'm with Roel. If the Yamato had fire control comparable to the Iowas, then I'd have to go with them. The Bismark just looked like a battleship should. not that the Yamato, Iowa, or KG V were shabby.

 

I remember a story I was told once about a DD patroling the waters in a fog. Something came up on radar. The DD commander radioed for the ship to respond and identify itself. ... No Response...

"Identify yourself or be blown out the water", rattled the DD commander!

After a few tense moments a response came over, "This is the commander of the USS Missouri. You may fire when ready"!

Always loved that short story.

Iowa class for sure!

:smok:

 

I have similar funny story, probably not true and just a joke:
In the middle of night, two signalling lights are arguing each other.
1st light: "Change your course 20 degrees to port to avoid collision"
2nd light: "No, you change your course 20 degrees to starboard to avoid collision"
1st light: "Negative, you change your course"
2nd light: "Oh yes, you change your course, I wont"
1st light: "No"
2nd light: "Do you know who am I?"
1st light: "No I dont"
2nd light: "This is USS Nimitz, I dont change my course to avoid collisions, other change their courses to avoid colliding me. Now, change your course!"
1st light: "This is canadian light house. Have a nice day"

 

I have somewhere a film clip of it I shall try to find it and post it.

 

what happen if the yamato and IWOA go on a head on head fight, i bet the yamato

 

From what I've read the range of the fight would a large factor. At longer range 18.1" guns of Yamoto have only a comparable performance to the 16" of the Iowas. At closer range the 18.1" was devastating.

Personally I think a one on one open water fight, barring any early lucky hits, Yamoto and an Iowa would beat each other into a bloody pulp. Victory decided on on the 'first one to sink is a wimp!' principal.

 

Very funny. Just one question, what's a DD? Boy I feel dumb now.