Rudolf Hess

Was was the real story behind his defection to Scotland ?

Was it really all his idea and his idea alone ? Then why was he over a period trained to fly a Bf 110. An aircraft which had been modified with extra fuel tanks to increase its range btw. Willy Messerscmitt who had been responisible for training Hess and for equippining his aircraft was never held accountable for it, despite Hitlers outrage about the treason of Rudolf Hess. Hess also apparently claimed to the Duke of Hamilton that it was the fourth time he had tried to reach Scotland, he had to turn back because of weather conditions the first three times.

On the other side ( or perhaps not, who knows ? ), Adolf Galland reported that he had been ordered by Gõring to shoot down the aircraft flown by Hess. Galland was at the time stationed at Pas de Calais and had no idea about the whereabouts of Hess´s aircraft, but still ordered two fighters into the air as a gesture.

 

There are a lot of mysteries when it comes to Rudolf Hess.

-Did Hitler give him the mission to fly to England?

-Were there really people in Britain ready to negociate?

-Why was Hess sentenced to life long prison whereas other people that had been much worse(Speer for example) were freed after some years?

- Did Hess really comit suicide or was he killed?(And if killed, by whom and why?)

 

Don't forget the big question: Was the man in Spandau Prison really Rudolph Hess?

There are many who believe that the inmate who died so sudenly and mysteriously was an impostor.

 

but then why? even if he was hess, why commited suicide, officialy?
does he had a last card under his sleeve? meaning did he know some secrets from someone? :-? :-?

 

Apparently Hess was a bit of a bu**er in Spandau he used to ask the guards for items of contraband the inform on them, with the turnaround of guards he did this on more than one occasion. The indications were that he was very sly up to the end.

 

Whats the alleged story? I'm a clueless noob

 

I dunno , he was just weird.

 

Nazis do tend to be weird, IMHO.

 

Hess, Gents, saved half of Europe from communism. Without knowing it. The original plan “Groza” was to start on June the 12th . After Stalin became sure that there were not going to be any negotiations between Britain and Germany, he fixed the next dato – July the 15th 1941.

The British intelligence intercepted communications between Hess and the Duke of Windsor and it was them who was the receiving party. The reason why he was not released , imo, are neo-nazi tendences in Germany. Who could know what kind of stories the paranoid Hess could start telling, once free.
Should one be thankfull to a fool who saves half a continent by accident? I don´t think so

 

can you explain the plan groza?

 

Well, in short: a Soviet plan to take Europe in 1941. No secret anymore, but not much publicized. I have elaborated on Groza in greater detail other places (please check my earlier entries).

I have another reason why Hess was kept till the end. Spandau jail was kept just for him and in itself (as well as Hess sitting inside) was a kind of symbol of Germany´s subjugation, not least important for the Russians.
Another reason might be Hess´ knowledge of collaboration (during WW2) of the nazis with certain terroristic organizations in Palestine (to harass the British there), which, if much publicized, might be an embarassment for some countries and organizations. Polish Army´s role in training the young zealots in the 1930´s is no secret. The contacts with the Germans, while not a secret, got VERY little publicity.

 

Wasn't jis original idea 2 discuss a peace treaty but theat night the lufwaffe bomed the o whats it called in london where they do all there law's

 

corpcasselbury , no i think he was mentally ill.

 

In Aktion T-4 what kind of mentall illnesses did those killed have , it wasn't Parkinsons,Alzheimers,etc , or just insanity , or did the nazis elimate those that had speech impediments , or matters of that nature , sorry if the post offends some members.

 

He was a Party Genosse, schmucks! :lol:

If you mean Euthanasia program - afaik it was mainly inborn mental retardation +/- serious physical deformities, severe schizophrenia, severe autism etc. Hess would have probably qualified as mildly autistic, paranoid personality disorder. Not enough...... :cry:

But he saved half of Europe from communism, though. I think he will be honored when the Whole Truth about Plan Groza triumphs.

 

He's likely to have been just one cause of delay among many. After all it would have been clear to Stalin that Hess's flight was a renegade action and that Hitler would have used different channels if he was truly intending to make a settlement with Britain.

 

This was THE ONLY reason, AFAIK. Stalin was so sure of his superiority that he intended to attack witout having all troops in place (it would have increased the surprise element). He had some very high standing sources in Berlin, but he distrusted them, so long he had no proof in hand, whatever it was. Even the exact plans and dato for Kursk, which he received (AFAIK) before the German generals did was not good enough for him. He waited for reports from the railroad workers on directions of tank transports and their sizes (and tank sizes).

According to Suvorov and others (Beshanov and some, which I cannot disclose), this was the sole reason.

Please, change my name to just Izaak, OK?

 

This counterspeaks itself. Stalin was overconfident of his own strength yet would not start the offensive without having touchable evidence of German strengths and weaknesses. An overconfident leader acts on impulse, so either Stalin wasn't overconfident at all or he would have ignored his intelligence. I'm betting on the first, considering how Stalin was a Machiavellian plotter among the best of them; therefore Rudolf Hess couldn't have been the only reason for Stalin to postpone his attack.

 

He was not overconfident. And he was cautious in all things with intelligence. The German deployment was known to the batallion level, or so they say.

I think he was afraid that Hess might reveal his own (Stalin´s) builtup, induce peace talks and induce the British to the joint front against impending aggression of Europe. This would have been the worst possible moment of attack. Think, if French Army was hastily reconstituted!

"to be so sure of one´s superiority" does not at all imply overconfidence. A subtle difference, but in this case - very substantial and principal.

 

Hang on...

Stalin was building up to invade Germany.
Hess goes and flies to Britain.
Stalin gets worried and postpones his invasion?

Why?

If you are worried that you are about to be discovered, you do not wait around, you act immediately.

More relevant - if he reckoned the Germans knew anyway, then it is hardly gonna be a surprise attack... So why wasn't he expecting a pre-emptive strike? And what difference will it make if Britain (an enemy of Germany, and a future enemy of the CCCP) knows that the russians have a large border force?
Or even that they'll invade Germany?

Britiain is currently fighting to stay alive against Germany. Surely they would be happy to hear that somebody else will take some pressure off them.

It just does not add up.