New UK terror arrests.

An alarming turn of events:

http://news.uk.msn.com/Article.aspx?cp- ... id=2737581

 

Yeah I heard something about that too.Terrible, don't you think?
I'm glad theey got the guys before they could actually do what they were planning to do.

 

Hold on there - they haven't been charged yet let alone been found guilty - it could easily transpire that some or all are released without charge.

The level of alert in the UK has been high for a while now - all the experts doubt that we've seen the last of it or even the worst. Regardless of what comes of these arrests it's good to see that our security forces are on the job.

 

Lone Wolf does have an excellent point. Not to mention Canada just paid 9million this month to a Syrian national they deported because he apprently had some links to terrorism, which turned out not to be true.

 

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Not all Muslims are terrorists,
but unfortunately,
all terrorists appear to be Muslim.

 

That US deported to Syria after RCMP fuck-up.

About the arrests. It will probably be something like those with liqid bombs whre most of the arrested were quietly released without charges.

 

Wait, the guys with the liquid bombs who wanted to blow several planes were released without charges? Well, that's just FUBAR. Do they think that those terrorist will stop after one arrest. They might be planning again.

 

Merlin, I don't agree entirely with that. The IRA is certainly not muslem, and ETA is to my knowledge not muslem either.

 

But then, when was the last IRA or ETA terrorist action?

Admittedly, I don't really agree either. However, it has been a looong time since I have noticed any news report on any terrorist activity that has not been somehow linked to Muslims. Public opinion is probably swinging towards the view that terrorist = muslim :roll:

 

For IRA it's been quite some time, but ETA made a terrorist attack on 2006-12-30 09:00, which I'd consider fairly recent.

 

I stand corrected.

 

I believe Merlin's comment was from a British standpoint, and at the moment the only terrorists actively operating or preparing to on the UK mainland are Muslim.

I do not doubt personally that Republican sleeper cells are probably still in the UK as an insurance policy, however for the time being they are not active and the only significant terrorist threat is from Muslim groups.

I find it interesting that the Muslims complaining of this discrimination seem to ignore that a British Muslim soldier's life was saved from ending in a particularly grotesque fashion by this action.

It is frustrating to be the subject of suspicion due to one's background (As someone considered to have an Irish background by the MoD I can understand that), however just as I understood that such measures were necessary when the Irish paramilitary groups were active, the Islamic community in Britain should understand that if members of that community are going to commit terrorist acts, then naturally members of that community are going to be regarded with a degree of suspicion by the population as a whole.

 

yes ..we must be very careful not to offend the muslim communitys liveing in the west ...they might protest or riot like the christain and jewish communitys liveing in muslim lands so often do ...remember how the armenians rampaged in turkey in 1915 or all those arab jews going wild in the streets in 1948 in bagdad ,damascus and cairo?...lol....one day muslim terrorists will bust off a weopon that makes 9/11 look like patty cakes and then all this candy ass pussy footing with the muslim world here and abroad will come to a sudden and sweeping end ..or perhaps it will just produce more leaflets and pc handwringing ...how they must smirk at us behind their beards ...and no wonder...

 

Because, surely, equating Islam with terrorism will solve everything.

The baker at the corner has lived here for 30 years and runs a popular and respected business, but now suddenly he's a terorrist! Detain him! Oh God, how could we have been so blind!

Combating blind hatred with more blind hatred is stupid, no matter how wrong it is to try to justify everything because it's "politically correct" to do so. Do you really want your own civilization to descend to the level of Muslim-fundamentalist terorrists? Already I fear the Christian-fundamentalist segment of Dutch society more than the Muslims, because they have much greater influence over national politics.

On another matter, the genocide of the Armenians was committed on Nationalist grounds, not religious ones.

 

Actually - the point is that, despite the terror attacks & threats, nobody in the UK is unfairly discriminating against Muslims (other than the few racists who have always been there). Muslims are being scrutinsed more than others because it is undeniably from within their communities that the threat comes and arrests are only being made on the grounds of genuine suspicion based on evidence of one sort or another. The UK remains a fair, free country and a little bit more realism about the desparate need to stop the terrorists would be a great deal more help than claiming victimisation all the time.

 

roel, in the wake of pearl harbour the american sons of german ,italian and japanese imigrants thronged to the military recruiters , after 911 their great grandsons thronged once again ...american born muslims did not ,whatever their parents country of origin ....when american contractors were burned alive or beheaded on camera not one muslim cleric here or abroad decried this hidieous act...the 911 bombers refered to american civillians as animals or subhumans and america as the great satan...an american army sgt ,a muslim but born and raised in the usa went amok and killed and wounded several of his own troops ...i would suggest this has everything to do with religion and nothing to do with nationalism...the last time i boarded an airliner post 911 , myself and my 72 year old mother were made to remove our shoes (to check them for bombs ) my blonde wife was made to surrender her NAIL CLIPPERS.... this ,roel is political correctness in america ...lets pretend that retired school teachers and backpackers from sweden might be arab terrorists and double check those two black us 'marines in uniform they could be al quaida operatives .. this is pc hysteria writ large ,,, lets now delay all air travel in america for an extra 2 hours while we search the bags of american girl scouts but dont concentrate on middle eastern looking men from 20 to 40 years of age ...that would be profileing ..very un p.c ,,im sure there must be muslims somewhere in the world who ,in their hearts , condemm and detest terrorism ...it sure would be nice to hear them voice this veiw out loud ....someday.

 

Like I said, would you suddenly start condemning your local Muslim baker because he's Muslim, even though he's been a peaceful member of your local cummunity for decades? That's flat-out evil. As is considering all Muslims dangerous just because a small minority of them think it right to kill themselves for their faith, as thousands of Christians have also done in the past. Certainly, this is a religious issue (I was saying that the Armenian genocide was not, thereby voiding your example).

The paranoid safety measures of US air travel facilities are not mine to judge, but I think it entirely right to check all passengers equally, for no Muslim should be automatically regarded as anything unless it is absolutely certain that he is. In a justice state, you're innocent until proven otherwise. Are you saying the US should stop being a justice state?

 

From what I've heard the majority of the Muslin community is pretty pissed with the Al Queda (sp) and these other terrorists (at least in some parts of North America)

 

Roel, the trouble is that ideals and practicality collide.

Sure, you could treat every single airline passenger (using your example) as a potential bomber suspect, checking each one intensely, but them you introduce huge delays, and you need more security staff, and...

Or you could simply focus on groups that are more likely to contain problems. In Britain during the 1970s/1980s that was the Irish. Now, pretty much everywhere, it is Muslims (or even those who 'appear Muslim', if such a thing is possible ).

Sure, it is a bloody nuisance to be singled out for special attention simply because of your birthplace/skin colour/etc - and it is technically discrimination - but can youthink of a better way to keep security?

 

just today i saw a poll which his over 70% of arab muslims in SUPPORT of hamas ,hezbolla and muslim fundamentalism ...roel ...i have always preached tolerance and live and let live ...i know thw arabs have a deap seated bigotry towards the jews which they inherit at birth apparently...but i didnt really care a fig about muslims one way or another until they killed a bunch of american civillians in manhaten and then broke out in spontaneous street dances all over the arab world within minutes of the blast...i realize our own christian ancestors of 300 years ago where just as intolerant and bigoted as modern arabs are today ... the issue is ,in the age of wmds ,do we have 300 years to wait arround for the muslim world to become secular and enlightened like all of us (except for ricky of course) btw ,roel , if the armenians were muslims and not christians do you think the turks would have snuffed them all..? if the israelies were some kind of muslim would all this crap have gone on ad nauseum since 1948 ..what happened to the hundreds of thousands of jews that lived in syria ,iraq, egypt , jordan and iran for the last several centuries prior to 48? the problems of the middle east are rooted in religious bigotry and intolerance which is practically genetically inborn in the arab world but has all but died out in the west