AN INCOVIENIENT TRUTH

i recently veiwed al gores new film "an inconvienient truth" if you havent seen it ,DONT ... it will ruin your day ...the end is nigh ... im afraid ,at least the world as we know it....perhaps in only in 30 or 40 years all our present worries and disputes will seem quite petty indeed ..i watched about half of gores indisputable logic and turned it off , and went back to romanceing my sweet but clueless wife...if you think the sea level comeing up a few feet is our main concern ,you are gravely mistaken .. a mean temprature drop of only 2 degrees that occured some 500 years ago killed about a fifth of northern europes population ( famine) ..gores forcast of change will be much more drastic ,it would seem , and there not a damn thing we can do about it....SO ..who wants to talk about next years nfl draft or the upcomming nascar season ,lol ?

 

an inconvenient amount of BS

OK woody, here's an inconvenient fact that algore and his buds ignore. there was a warming period back in the middle ages 1100 to 1400 AD or so. a whopping 3 degrees which according to algore is huge and would mean the end of everything [ kidding but only a little]. so what happened you ask? well it ended the dark ages, allowed enough food to be grown to support other activities such as exploration, the arts, science, and a general rebirth of civilization. oranges were grown in paris, the vikings found grapes growing in greenland, crops were grown in places in scotland that today are barren. truly all bad things wouldn't you say? the world is ending bunch would like to ignore that period since it shows that they are most likely wrong about everything. also do you remember back in the 70s when the cry was the earth is cooling and its our fault. you would think the nuts would make up their minds but i guess expecting reasonable behavior from them is too much. this whole thing is just another attempt to hijack your money and send it to some poor starving person that happens to be the cause of the month for the wacko left.

 

I agree with everything you say, but I think we do need to work againsco2 and stuff.

 

Re: an inconvenient amount of BS

You mean during the Black Death, where 1/3 of the European population died?

 

If we ignore the fact that the UN openly falsifies history and uses temperature measuring methods for historical temperatures which they themself consider as being the most unreliable, then the latest UN report on the climate is in deed bad news.

 

watch the movie ,lynn , he,s got mountains of data and its all bad news

 

lets go off and slit our wrists then...I dont care about what Mr. Gore has to say until he comes up with a solution.

 

Lets not forget that Al Gore also claimed to be instrumental in inventing the internet and also thought he was an Astronaut.

 

My geology professor played this movie on our first day of classes. What a shame Al Gore didn't play up his invention of the internet- I might have taken it more seriously! This movie is as much of a campaign ad as it is a legitimate case on "global warming." Of course, I didn't complain to my professor, I need to pass that class! (Ahh, that familiar sense of selfish complacnency- the trait that will ruin our world.)

Global warming, the very term sounds like a product of political agendas, like "pro-choice" or "traditional marriage." I agree that we humans are causing harm to this planet, but when did the dissemination of CFCs, CO2, and methane gasses become lumped under the ambiguous and fear-invoking "global warming"?

Here's a link to Micheal Crichton's views on global warming:
http://www.crichton-official.com/speech ... ote04.html
Yeah, the guy wrote Jurassic Park and a plethora of other fiction books, but his views are interesting and good at evoking some critical thinking.

 

Oh boy.

 

chrichton is a great storie teller and his points on junk science are well taken..how ever . nowhere does he address al gores photos of shrinking glaciers ,carbon data ,drowning polar bears ect...the ice cap is melting the ozone is shrinking , not even the scientists working for chevron are arguing about it anymore,the rainforests are vanishing the tropical coral reefs are dying ...this is not hysteria , this can be clearly seen in satilite images and ordinary time lapesed tourists own photos.. glacier X photo from 1956 ,1967 ,1973 ,1987 , now.... you guys who are skeptics ...you have seen the movie, i trust? i wish i could join you guys and point and jeer at silly "i invented the internet "al gore...do you guys figure al gore has a secret team of africans hikeing the slopes of killamenjaro with blow torches ,, is that why there is now NO snow where hemingway wrote the "snows of killamenjaro"..is al gore useing doctored photographs of the alps and rocky mountains ...i wish it was a silly prank ..wake up guys ,smell the ozone..watch the movie ..then tell me why its all smoke and mirrors ...btw im really hopeing you guiys can show al gore to be full of shyte, i have a little boy age 10 , i dont want him to see apocalypse NOW...or later

 

I have seen the movie by Al Gore too and despite the fact that he's exaggerating the problem, there's a very undenyable truth in it.

The world is rapidly warming, due to a series of circumstances, but it sure is true. And ofcourse the world has seen several periods of global warming in it's historry, that' s all true. The point is though, that those periods of global warming extended over several millennia, as Lynn also states : 1100 to 1400. The global warming that's takning place right now is much, much faster now. And that's the problem! Today's temperature values have already raised a lot faster than any time before in the world's history, several degrees in only 20 years. and that is alarming people!. Therefore I plead not to put Al Gore aside as rubbish, cause he functions as no more than an eyeopener for the world. We should dramatically decrease all sorts of emissions, especially CO2 but also CO and other gasses and fumes produced by industries and cities, by mass population. Otherwise the problems my soon grow out of control and then we're not talking about nice crops in Scotland and oranges in Paris, we're talking massive desertification people! Please be warned by this movie. If you think this is rubbish then try watching " the day after tomorrow"- another movie about global warming and the possible effects. Though it's once again exaggerated, the process is much slower than in the movie but unfortunately all true, it is possible!
So please don't start telling stories about faked reports, but start acting according to them. The facts about global temperature and melting ice don't lie.

 

I haven't even watched the film and I can tell you why it's smoke and mirrors. All you describe that it depicts is well known and not particularly controversial. That is the fact that climate change occurs in cycles and is changing all the time, albeit slowly. The controversial part comes in when people make assumptions about how much of that change is due to human activity and how much of that portion could be significantly decreased by lowering CO2 emissions.
Scientists don't have good data on these controversial issues and Al Gore certainly doesn't have any data that isn't in the scientific community.
What he does have is the ability to influence opinion with the use of carefully crafted propoganda like An Inconvenient Truth not to mention the assistance of a partisan news media.

 

It's not his intention to find the solution, merely to spread awareness of the problem. Personally I think he's telling us things that are already common knowledge, which means the whole film has no value at all, but that's beside the point. You can't ask for people who show us a problem to come up with a solution right away, as if they should be required to provide one before they should ever dare to mention the problem. That's a sure way to make sure that no one points out another problem ever again. It's also arrogant and lazy to demand that others do your thinking for you.

As to the problem of global warming - speeding up a natural process does not make it any more or less dangerous than it would have been anyway. We'll have to adapt to new circumstances, and if we wouldn't have to in a few decades we would still have to in a few hundred years.

 

I don't see why melting glaciers are that much of a problem. Glaciers have always melted. That it should be the case can't really surprise anyone.

A year or two ago, there were two independent studies. One showed that the area covered by the north pole had shrunk considerably, the other one showed that the thickness of the ice on the north pole had increased considerably. In total, the amount of ice was the same. The study showing that the ice has shrunk in area got a lot of attention for proving global warming, the one showing that it had grown in thickness received no attention at all.

That polar bears should be drowning would be quite surprising to biologists, since polar bears are quite good swimmers.

Panzerprofile, I think you've missed a couple of points of fact in your post. The time between 1 100 and 1 400 is three centuries, not several millennia. Furthermore, we are talking about a warmth period, not the time it took for the temperature to increase.

Claiming that the global temperature has increased by two degrees in the last 20 years is wrong. The total increase usually quoted over the past 140 years is less than one degree. We don't have any reliable measured temperatures from before the middle of the 19th century, which is why this is used as a starting point.
The problem with this is that this was the time where the Little Ice Age, which followed the warmth period, ended, which means that the temperature is being compared to a temperature lower than the global average when seen over a long-term basis.

The movie The Day After Tomorrow is fiction. The events portrayed are not possible at all.

 

GUYS ..ALGORE , and his people are well aware that there are natural long term cycles in climate change ..his conclusions are not simply based on melting ice packs...they have core samples where they can measure the amount of co2 in the atmosphere going back into pre history...polar bears are drowning because they are trying to swim the same streach of water that their ancestors have been crossing for a thousand polar bear generations ...only now ,its not 30 or 40 miles ,its 120 or160 miles,this has happened in just the last 3 bear generations or so,and plainly ,the bears have not yet seen al gores movie , greig and chris ,i greatly respect your opinions ...but , PLEASE ...humor me and rent the damn movie (i will personally refund you the 2 dollars ) ..then tell me al gore has no case....ok

 

Re: an inconvenient amount of BS

acually the black death went away just as the warming period got going. perhaps the increase in tempture and the improvement in diet had something to do with ending it.
algore and his buds cherry pick the facts and ignore any that don't bolster their view and then tell everybody that only they have it right. one other odd fact - mars is getting warmer too. is that due to the exhaust from cars also? the sun has increased its output lately and is in fact the most likely cause of global warming. the problem with that is it doesn't do a damn thing to advance the liberal causes.
in spite of all the noise nobody is sure of two things. one is if we are really in a long term warming period and the other is if we are what is the cause. lots of noise and flash but no real hard proof of either. it may turn out that we are warming and will be for a considerable time. if so then the question becomes one of 2 parts. the first is what causes it and the second is is it really a bad thing? the experence with the middle ages warming period suggests that it might be a good thing. there is much evidence that the sea levels have been both higher and much lower in human history that they are now. why? most likely not caused by humans so why in the blazes does everybody think we did it this time?

 

Can we cut to the chase and you tell us what scientific evidence Al Gore produces that wasn't already known i.e. that climate change is occurring?
Does he tell us how much of that change is attributable to human activities and how much is the result of natural processes?
How about how much change in present human activities would be needed to reverse the trend?

The reason I don't need to hear Al Gore pontificate on this subject, besides the fact that I cannot abide his pompousness and self righteous attitude, is because I know that the scientific literature has not been able to answer those questions convincingly. And if the scientists (who are on the same page as Gore politically and philosophically) are unable to establish these facts scientifically then Gore cannot do so inasmuch as he isn't a scientist (despite his enormous accomplishment in creating the internet and curing cancer on his day off).

ps despite enormous peer pressure to conform to the party line a few brave souls still speak their mind.

Link to one voice in the wilderness:

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/global-warming020507.htm


another:

http://www.campusreportonline.net/main/articles.php?id=1078


comments:

http://www.denverpost.com/harsanyi/ci_3899807

little more:

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/murray200407230903.asp

tired of reading yet? more troublemakers:

http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_272611298.shtml

 

grieg ,im no great fan of al gore ,im still a little peeved that he and the clintons sent a team of us rocket scientists to china some 10 years ago to help them with their missile guidance and satillite delivery systems which were at that time a shambles (those chickens have now come home to roost , it would seem ..) im also a long time reader of national review and reason magazine ..im aware of the lefts storm trooper tactics in squelching consevatives viewpoints ,that being said ..i think you owe it to yourself to spend 90 minutes suffering through al gores presentation , its not preachy or arrogent in the least ...hear him out ,then tell me where you think he is mistaken or logic impaired...i hope al gore is wrong , but he seems to me , to have all his ducks in quite a neat row on this one..cmon ,grieg ..you have a sharp and open mind , dont kill the messenger just yet ...you are the one who always says attack the argument and not the man , right?

 

p.s. i read your links posted above grieg ...imo none of them makes any real headway against the former v.p. and his documentary movie ...they seem to say ..well sure , the ice cap IS melting but mabey not a man made problem ..global temp data is insufficient ,might be a natural cycle ,ect ..I if thats all they got ,gore wins ,hands down ..