Details of the Versailles restctions on war material

For the purposes of the army, what were the restrictions on armaments? I know the 200,000 men, the limits of officers, the limited ability to rotate and have "former" officers attend military functions, but I'd heard that tank-destroyers were forbidden as well as tanks.

I know armored cars were not, or at least police units could own armored cars and the Reichswehr meticulously logged every armored car in Germany for conscription if war broke out.

How did the treaty define tank-destroyers? And how did it define tanks? In regards to tank was it weight? Or gun? Or treads verus wheels? 55 printing color copies Or was it having a turret? Or something else? Is there anything else banned materially from the army?

I'm trying to imagine novel ways a creative officer in the 20s and early 30s might pitch ideas to his superiors for designs that are technically legal but completely breaking the spirit of the arms limitations.

 

Just for info

Treaty of Versailles - Wikipedia
Germany was to demobilize sufficient soldiers by 31 March 1920 to leave an army of no more than 100,000 men in a maximum of seven infantry and three cavalry divisions.

I would guess to answer your question is in the depths of the Treaty, sounds like lively reading, but during the present problem perhaps you have the time, all you need know is a copy of the document

TD


The Treaty of Versailles - military restrictions (1919)

 

Hitler used the Treaty limits in his politics.like we know Chamberlain etc Felt bad about the used Politics and Hitler did not hesitate to use this weakness in later actions like Ruhr area, Austria, Sudetens etc

 

no limits on rockets = V2, .....Wasserfall anti-air rocket
what about Nebelwerfers?
no limits on jet engines, was there?

 

Bronk7

The treaty was before the worldwar2.Hitler broke it Piece By Piece in the 1930's. But he did everything that he was allowed and created weapons, battle ships the treaty Allowed him. In Versailles the top german leaders were not put on trial but 1946 they were hanged for starting the war.

 

yes-I know that .....same with treaties today
...it seems to me we clearly know who started the unlawful WW2.....with muchO atrocities/etc
..in WW1, it was not so clear, or was it?

 

The rocket weaponry was made in the 1943-45.Versailles treaty until the moustache Guy dies. Why should he not Die having sex or not with Eva.

 

it was developed pre-WW2.....it was not in the Versailles limits--that's why they developed it
..it was made in 43/etc, but there was much, much testing/production/etc pre-WW2-1943

 

I was afraid it woud get to this. I pull my troops home

 

Your 5 days to early for April Fools.

Not sure why anyone still subscribes to this myth? But let's see...

Prohibition of tanks = Tiger, Panther, King Tiger, etc.

Prohibition of aircraft = Bf109, FW190, Me262, He-111, Ju-88, etc.

Prohibition of submarines = Type II, Type VII, Type IX, Type XXI, etc

Limits of warships to 10,000 tons = Scheer, Hipper, Scharnhorst, Bismarck, etc.

Artillery Limits of a maximum of 10.5 cm artillery =
80 cm Schwerer Gustav.

I could go on and on, but people should get the gist.

Buuuuut, when it comes to rockets, Germany will follow the letter of the law.

Sorry. Bronk, but, I hope now you will see how silly that myth sounds. Germany was clearly not interested in legality, when it came to developing weapons systems.

 

Yep...
And the Germans developed illegal warships, submarines, tanks, and planes prior to ww2.

Thus, with the Germans developing all of these illegal weapons, one should see that legality was not of any concern with regards to pre-WW2 Germans weapons development.

 

Interesting points: why did after the war the French invade the Ruhr area, which simply made more power to Hitler. The Germans hate this naturally. Was it part of the Versailles treaty which was meant to shame the Germans. The Germans had to destroy their planes and most weapons, only the Weimar army alive. Like we know the next war is born from the previous war. In the 30's Hitler was given freedom with arms and the UK even gave loan to Hitler.hitler took austria, the czech until Chamberlain realised Hitler was not a nice person. He made a pact with Stalin to share east Europe. WHO paid the price? Poland, Baltics,Greece, France, Denmark, Norway. After the tight regulations of war the Allied let HItler to power and start a WW. What Versailles treaty?

 

The main point was for Germany to pay the war debt. The German Fleet was scuttled By themselves.did Germans have Money to Build an army? Read how Schacht not Hitler did it.

 

Also read the June 1935 Anglo-German Naval deal.

 

the Versailles Treaty mentioned rockets?

 

The Versailles treaty demilitatirised Germans, took their Money, Ruhr coal. Made them responsible for war, and wonder why Hitler arrives. Just like taking away Japanese oil/fuel and looking for a way out? Was FDR already losing it or Playing the big war?

 

Did the molotov-Ribbentrob deal mention Killing 25,000 Polish Officers in the Versailles treaty? Was Lenin out of plan? Sorry Stalin. Cannot be if bf-109 is not. Were talking all things until 1945 right? If not, why not and until where?

 

..I don't know what you or Takao mean.....the OP asked about Versailles restrictions ...I posted rockets were not restricted and the Germans were testing/etc rockets....not as much as other systems, but they were not restricted by the Treaty

 

What I mean is that Germany did not design & test rockets because they were "legal" under Versailles. Germany designed & tested rockets because they wanted them. Germany would have designed & tested rockets even if they had been illegal...Why?...Because Germany wanted them.

Germany designed & tested several weapons that were "illegal" under Versailles, but they did it anyway...Why?...Because they wanted them.

Hence, Germany did not design & test rockets because they were "legal." That is a myth.

Now, do you understand?

 

here's my post:
''''no limits on rockets = V2, .....Wasserfall anti-air rocket
what about Nebelwerfers?
no limits on jet engines, was there?''''

here's the OP:
'''I'm trying to imagine novel ways a creative officer in the 20s and early 30s might pitch ideas to his superiors for designs that are technically legal but completely breaking the spirit of the arms limitations.'''

and--from V-2 by Dornberger page 19:
''The Treaty of Versailles restricted Germany in all branches of armament.........the consequence, logically enough, was that the Army Weapons Department began to look for new developments in armament which would increase the fighting power of the few existing troops.....''''