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What is your opinion on people who try to say that the Nazis were left-wing socialists

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  1. OpanaPointer

    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    I've seen occasional mentions of "NAZIS WERE SOCIALISTS, IT'S IN THE NAME!" ever since I've been on the web.
     
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    A-58 Cool Dude

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    I'm waiting for Michael Timothy Griffith to weigh in on the question.
     
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  3. ltdan

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    Rule 34: if it exist there is porn of it. The Nazis were unmatched in this
     
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    RichTO90 Well-Known Member

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    What do you know? Neither hide nor hair of the OP since Friday...
     
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  5. CAC

    CAC Ace of Spades

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    Were the Nazis fascists? - Nazism is a form of fascism, with disdain for liberal democracy and the parliamentary system.
    Are Fascists left or right wing? - Opposed to anarchism, democracy, liberalism, and Marxism, fascism is placed on the far right-wing within the traditional left–right spectrum.

    Question answered?
     
  6. OpanaPointer

    OpanaPointer I Point at Opana Staff Member WW2|ORG Editor

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    Yep. Initially Hitler admired Mussolini, the father of Fascism.
     
  7. Dennis Alexander Kalnoky

    Dennis Alexander Kalnoky Member

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    Mussolini was a Socialist before becoming a Fascist. He was also a journalist, and (I believe) wound up owning one or more newspapers in Italy.

    A journalist and an artist were the face(s) of Fascism in Europe.

    A lot confusion comes from the political left in the West equating liberalism and post-modernism and taking both of those terms and associating them with Socialism, which are NOT all the same thing.. Liberal meaning "open-minded" (e.g., a liberal-arts education) and Socialism being a specific program... It is not hard to imagine how Socialism could mutate into Fascism, both having several key ingredients in common.
     
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  8. ltdan

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    National Socialism was a genuine patchwork ideology. They almost didn't invent anything themselves, but blithely stole everything together in order to unite as many movements as possible under their roof.
    Former Communists, who joined the NSDAP, were called beefsteak Nazis: Brown on the outside, red on the inside
    And that's why they didn't even have the slightest problem with appointing Japanese, of all people, as honorary Aryans.
     
  9. Dennis Alexander Kalnoky

    Dennis Alexander Kalnoky Member

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    That makes sense as the Nazis banned political groups they couldn't co-opt. I know at one point Hitler revised his views on the Church to suit the Nazi ideology. He had to do this, because there were simply too many Christians - not because he was a person of Faith.

    FWIW Japanese notions of racial purity and racial hierarchy predated Nazi Germany. In fact if I remember right, the Nazis were (at least in part) inspired by what they had witnessed in Japan. I saw this in a documentary. Maybe somebody else can chime in w/ add'l info.
     
  10. LRusso216

    LRusso216 Graybeard Staff Member

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    Didn't Hitler make the Japanese "honorary Aryans"? Talk about co-opting!

    Woops! I just saw ltdan's post.
     
  11. ltdan

    ltdan Active Member

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    According to Japanese historians, such as Iwasaki Akira, it was more likely that Japan in the early Showa period looked to Prussia and especially Nazism as models.
    I know the term "Bonapartist fascism" in this context for the emerging social model in pre-war Japan.
    Conversely, Japan's reputation with the Nazis was less good. Ribbentropp had some trouble disguising this diplomatically.
    It had therefore probably taken some ideological contortions to turn Japanese into honorary Aryans.
    (While Afghans, for example, were considered pure Aryans).
     

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