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This is something that I wanted to write for a while now.

After seeing Enemy at the Gates and even Saving Private Ryan it looks like Hollywood wants to impress someone rather then tell a story. Look at it this way, during the war solders were not models and majority of them were not Rangers.

Enemy at the Gates is not a fine movie. There is a difference between a story of two snipers and then a triangle between two men in love with one woman. The movie shows how bad Hollywood works on its history research. Remember when the Soviet sniper went looking for the German near the sand. Then you see Red Army solders running into the bullets and all of them dying. In reality Reds made attacks during night to keep Germans awake. Then there is the language which seems to make no sence. The Germans speak in American English and Russians speak in Kings English. The whole movie died because of them.

What I wanted to say is: When you make a movie make it real, don't use T-34 for your Tigers and let Russians speak Russian in the movies.

 

I agree totally.
But what really annoys me is that most war films now focus on love relationships as well. Enemy At The Gates, Pearl Harbour and Captain Correllis Mandaline and in some way The Thin Red Line (to name a few) are a good example, and none of those films are as good as others like Saving Private Ryan, Longest Day and a Bridge Too Far.
It is a dissapointment as the last few war films haven't been of the Highest Quality.

Jet

 

I agree with the essence of what you're saying about the language, but what percentage of the american public would want to sit through a movie that only uses russian and german as a language? Yeah, most of us on this forum would, but that's not enough for hollywood to make any profit off of a big production. Yeah, it stinks for people who take history serisouly (and I won't even get into your other point as it riles me up beyond belief - I about had a fit after seeing U-571), but I can't see it ever changing.

 

Although most of it bored me to death, I personally thought the "love" story in the thin red line was very appropriate. I've talked to several vets that said all they though about and the only thing that got them through was the love of the wife back home. My grandpa had a picture of his wife in his helmet so he could look at it all of the time. As I'm sure is the case with most of us, I've also talke to several vets who go dear john letters, and was glad that it was shown in the movie.

As for "Captain Corellis", I went into that movie thinking that it was a love story, not a war movie. I wouldn't call that or something like "life is beautiful" a war movie to begin with. I guess if you have low expectations like me, you dont' get as upset .

Enemy at the gates - couldn't agree more. I got no love for love in that movie.

 

Same here. Unfortunately Hollywood makes it's money from those who are not as historically educated such as ourselves and not as bothered by the inaccuracies they are not aware of. But it would be nice to have movies such as the Longest Day and Bridge Too Far.

 

It's a movie, I repeat.......it's a movie. Sit back and enjoy it V.

 

Movies suppose to tell a story not get a story and add your own stuff and create a monster.

 

V, I don't know what you want? Your complaints of the movie are as follows:

1) Love story - As long as 50% of ticket buyers are women, most stories will have a little romantic twist. Deal with it.

2) Not speaking Russian - This movie was made for english speaking americans, so having them speak english only makes sense. If I was to go into a theatre in Moscow I'm sure i'd find some american soldiers speaking russian.

3) Russians only attack at night - slight truth to it, but to think that the russians only attacked at night is a little childish.

I'm taking into conisderation that your "soon to be at ft sill" which means you flunked your asvab score, and your gonna be trained as an artilleryman.

 

I'm going there for bacis training it's not a permanent station.

And I'm going for Speacial Forces

[ 29. March 2003, 09:32 AM: Message edited by: VYACHESLAV ]

 

In U.S. Army you choose your job and if you can qualify physically and mentally then you’ll get it.

[ 29. March 2003, 09:34 AM: Message edited by: VYACHESLAV ]

 

Yeah, recruiters told me I could be a navy seal. I hope you haven't signed anything yet. Have fun cleaning the head.

[ 29. March 2003, 12:40 PM: Message edited by: Doc Raider ]

 

Well, I already signed my contract and have my leave date and everything. In other military branches your asvab score will get you a job, but in the Army it is different.

 

You wanted to be a Navy Seal? I've heard more than half of the people who try out cannot complete their training.

[ 29. March 2003, 03:44 PM: Message edited by: VYACHESLAV ]

 

Going for SF are we? I dont know about the US army but people who start heading into the British armed forces intending to go for SF are generally laughed at (except RM obviously). This is of course from the point of view of someone going through the selection process and I mean that the persons fellow candidates generally laugh at them, not the regulars and interviewers (well, they may do, I dont know). Always struck me as rather odd to go in with the attitude that 'I will be in the SAS one day' or similar, I have always gone more along the lines of 'I will join up and do my best, if that leads me somewhere so be it' but frankly I am not joining up so I can go into SF.

Sorry, I dont mean to have a go at anyone, just wondering if it was similar in the US, best of luck V-Slav, it is true about the SEALs but I have never thought that much of them, don't see why it is necessary to kill your trainees. What you planning on going into? Rangers? Delta ?

 

Green Berets

 

V,

So the army doesn't have asvab tests anymore huh? When did that change last week? Good luck with the SF, when I was in you had to wait until you were an e-4. The army changed it's rules to help with recruitment,(it worked) all the kids in my neighborhood that are going into the army are all "SF". You still have to have a MOS though...What's yours?

SF doesn't have room for everybody, only about 5 out of 100 will actually be accepted and wear the special forces tab. One more thing, just cause you wear the green beret doesn't make you SF...it's the tab that counts, support personal....cooks,truckdrivers,supply,etc....assigned to SF units still get a green beanie to wear, but without the tab....your just a REMF wearing a green beret.

How many years did the army get you to enlist for? Sounds like your recruiter had a field day with you. DOn't fail training.....otherwise the army can reassign you into any unit they feel fit.

But what does an old army vet like me know anyways, your recruiter probably told you everything.

 

So you are a vet? My MOS is 75 Bravo and like I said, if you pass the training you will get accepted into SF. Another thing, the asvab score has to be 31 or more to get into any Air Force, Army, Navy , and Marines.

The last time I spoked with a vet from World War II, Korea, and Vietnam he told me that he enjoyed his life in the Army.

 

If you are a member of NJROTC or someother miliary sponsored program you get E-3 when you're done.


One more thing, secondary units are as much as important as infantry. Without them there would be no military.

 

Hell no I didn't want to be a Seal....I wanted to get an engeneering degree. They were just trying to lure me in with the seal stuff. Then they realized I didn't want an adventure, just an education. They neglected to tell me that I had to stay in for 8 years though. So I decieded to get my masters degree instead. It only takes two.

 

I think my asvab score was 94....not bad for a 17yr old back in the day.

75B....what the hell is that? Truck driver? Mechanic?

Anyways, have fun in co-ed basic.