AK47 vs M16 (again...)

Sinissa... What 4 wars has Serbia won in the last century? WW2 and 1913 Balkan war of course, but what were the other two...

 

What were their sizes?

In 20-th century Sebia won 2 Balcan wars ( 1.st against Turkey, Second against Bulagarians & Greece) WW1 and WW2.

 

Grieg,

Then we are in complete agreement.

I do not prefer the 7.62 NATO over the 30.06. I like the magazine capacity (20) of the M1A over that of the clip capacity (8) of the M1 Garand.

If the M1A was 30.06, it would be perfect!

- Greg
:smok:

 

I don't know if you could say Serbia "won" in the Great War... For the same reason you can't really say Russia won... The Austro-Hungarians defeated the Serbian armies, Serbia officially surrendered in 1915... The French and British then defeated the Central Powers... Serbia, like Russia, was defeated... The Serbian army continued to fight, but never actually took back Serbia... It was "given" back when France, Britain and allies won.

This brings up an interesting topic... can you say that France "won" World War 2? I think you can, the difference being that French units actually participated in taking back their own soil...

 

Well Sebian army did retreat from Serbia trough Albania to Corfu. After period of reeqipment, retraning they did fight on the Soloniki front against German, Bulgarian and A-H forces.

Similar question could be asked of Italians. Their last offensive started when armistice was already announced to the A-H troops (1 day before it became official) and after A-H troops already started to retreat from the front at Piava (deep in pre 1915 Italian territory).

 

dang, looks like we all been busted back to sgts again...tiso ,thks for great site about spetnatz sniper , i read all of it...wow canadian sniper team kills out to 2400 meters..must be a new record...

 

Good. Never liked officers anyway .

 

--> http://www.fun-online.sk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5358

 

Could you bust me down to the PFC? I don't like NCO's either.

 

I prefer not to have too many special ranks, since it'll clog up the system.

 

Yeah, what kind of army has thousands of colonels running everywhere with only a handful of privates? Except General Alcazar's of course

P.S. The spetznaz article was extremely good... One interesting thing I learned, that should be mentioned here, is that the AK-74 (and thus I assume the AK-47) cannot be used to 'dial in' the range like the M-16 can... Either that or there was some other reason for Russian officers ordering troops not to do so, perhaps they though conscripts couldnt' compensate range accurately enough?

Also, a very "refreshing" analysis of the role of the Stinger missile

 

Currently the world record, actually....

 

Iron sight can and should be used for range correction. Rear sight has range corrector. On M-72 LMG ( PKT) rear sight also has sideways corrector. Range corrector has marks 0, 100, 200, 300, 400 etc.

I belive he was talking about calibrating sights. Usualy this is done by armourer on the firing range. When soldier gets his rifle (specific rifle for specific soldier) on first firing with rifle is done on range of 100m. You are instructed to go for bullseye only with first 3 shots. Grouping is checked and armourer calibrates your sigts (forward sight:left-right and up-down). After that soldier shoots another series of 6 shots and sights are recalibrated if necessary. After that soldiers is not allowed to mess calibration of the sights. Sometimes when armourer does bad job we do that by ourselves. Basicly calibration depends on the shooter.

Sinissa were you using M-93 (Crna strela) sniper rifles?

 

Smegheald
First,Serbian army,with Serbian King withdraw from serbia in 1915. but in 1914. and early 1915 we won seweral battles against A-H impire (cer battle,mishar battle,kolubar battle etc) When the agressor was backed from invasion.After that defeats AH got reinforcments from germans,and Bulgaria entered war on Axis side and attack us from behind,so only logical mowe was to witdraw,resuply and stricke back.Serbian army was main fist for breaking the Soloniki front.Did Serbia alone winned the war? Certanly not.Did we played ur part good? Shure we did.WWI started when AH wanted to invade Serbia,rest u know.

@TISO
I had no luck to shoot from M-93 Crna Strela,but i holded that gun in my arms.In that time M-93 was used only in Special Forces,and in 2 man teams,it was not used in regular squads.Now it will be used in platoon level allso,that was diferent times when i was in army.

 

Sinissa, yoy may be confusing your History, the Axis was WWII not WWI.

 

i can assure you guys that ordinary g.i.s were tossing there m16s and useing capured aks instead ,ammo supply be damned ..my dad was ord. officer for 25th inf div in cu chi in 67/68 ...the practice was outlawed when accidental firefights caused fratricide (muzzle report sound being different m16 vs ak47 ) not only did m16s jam with great regularity ,the stuck cartrige would not eject from the breech with out a cleaning rod being shoved down the bore ..one cleaning kit for every 10 rifles ,by the way ..my dad is still quite bitter about the way the m16 was issued to the grunts (no retraining ,no fireing range practice ,NONE , nada!... turn in your m14s and take this piece of sht , and have a nice day ! ) it was criminal negligence practically...macnamara shoved the m16 down the b.o.s throat and the army did not build the weapon to stoners specs nor use the correct propellent ..someone in the b.o. . should have been hung for it but of course only the sweating platoons got capital punishment via their stuck in battery weapons....being found dead next morning after a firefight in their fox holes with their weapon torn down ...wishing they had a 03 springfield ,a kraig jorgensen or a sharps carbine....accuracy is a good thing but on rainy ,bone tired nights in the mud ,reliability is still king...

 

But that has more to do with the way the gun was issued to the troops, not with the gun itself. Had they phased it in properly, given proper instruction etc, none of what you describe would have happened.

You can't expect reliability to just happen if you don't tell the users how to service the product. Imagine using a car and never ever performing any kind of checks on it, not even the screenwash level.

 

That is really a rehash of the well known and much discussed early teething problems of the M-16. If anyone can produce reliable and verifiable reports of troops in significant numbers discarding their M-16s (even in those early times)I would like to see it.
BTW not to disparage your father however that is still second and third hand anecdotes. Division Ordinance officers don't go to the field.

 

There is no doubt that the initial issue of the M16 caused problems. However, after the men were trained, and the various specs on the weapon and ammo were tuned a little, and the men understood that it did need some cleaning, it performed about the way it was expected to. I have no problem carrying it today. I can make it do what I want it to do (except make coffee) reasonably well.

 

the ak-47 is by far the best battle rifle. you can let the thing get rusted and it'll still fire. try that with an m-16.