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'Anti-Semitism highest since WWII'

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  1. JagdtigerI

    JagdtigerI Ace

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    "Anti-Semitic incidents in western Europe peaked to a level not seen since the close of World War II, according to numbers released by the Jewish Agency on Sunday, three days before the commemoration of International Holocaust Remembrance Day.

    The data showed a spike in anti-Semitic violence during and after the IDF's Operation Cast Lead in the Gaza Strip last winter.

    During the first three months of 2009 - part of which included the IDF operation in Gaza - more anti-Semitic incidents (including anything from verbal threats to violent attacks) took place in western Europe than during all of 2008.

    In France, 631 incidents occurred in the first half of 2009, compared with 431 in 2008. In Britain, some 600 anti-Semitic incidents took place during 2009.

    In the Netherlands, some one hundred incidents were noted following the Gaza incursion, the same number as the country had witnessed the entire previous year."

    'Global Anti-Semitism highest since WWII' | Israel | Jerusalem Post
     
  2. Volga Boatman

    Volga Boatman Dishonorably Discharged

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    All I can say to the Jerusalem Post is

    "Extend the Olive Branch"

    "Give Peace a CHANCE."

    Arabs are people too, and Palestinians need somewhere to live.

    Live and let live. If these idiots on BOTH sides did not take their religon so darned seriously, they might be able to see the wood for the trees and co-exist.

    Am I asking too much?......Is this naive?....Let Arab and Jew fight the common enemy...POVERTY.
     
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  3. Kai-Petri

    Kai-Petri Kenraali

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    Nice idea Volga Boatman,

    but the problem is that mostly they both ( Palestinean and Israel ) want to live in practically the same area WITHOUT the other one.... That is the problem.
     
  4. Heinrich

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    Watch Lawrence of Arabia ..says it all :) If the Brits and French never made their dividing pact we wouldnt be in the sh*t the middle east is in today.
    just my 2cents worth :)
     
  5. Mussolini

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    You can blame the British for a lot of things like that, especially in Africa and the Mid-East...they liked carving up land irregardless of traditional tribal boundaries etc.

    Now, in regards to this Anti-Semitism in Western Europe, it would be interesting to see information on what types of people were performing these acts - I get the feeling that it is European Muslims.
     
  6. Hilts

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    I'd prefer 'British Ruling class'......................they screw up everything for the rest of us. :(

    ..............and then we get yelled at when we go abroad..............nothing to do with me Missus...............:mad:
     
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    The Jewish people have endured much in their lifetime, and the aftermath of WWII was a continuing struggle for a permanent home. May of 1948 established Israel as a Nation, and though its independence was declared, the bitterness and strife between Palestine would continue to be problematic. As Muss and Hilts have stated, the British administered the "Palestinian Mandate" which would outline and divide the lands boundaries... and here we are.

    Palestinian Mandate: The Palestine Mandate

    all the best,

    Jem
     
  8. Mehar

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    How do you "fight" anti semitism or any racism for that matter? Asides from punishing those who take their feelings "to the next level", I doubt very few would change their minds on a subject just because someone told them to.

    I have met people who are Jewish and simply hate all Germans, Muslims, countries that support the groups, etc for no sane reason at all, I have also met Muslim's who hate Israel, nations that support them, etc. Again for no sane reason at all other than what is happening in the Middle East. I can see how the conflicts in the Middle East between the two groups can also have a effect on those living outside of that area.

    I wouldn't say antisemitism is the only thing rising, anti Muslim sentiment is also on the rise and it simply giving people from both groups more fire.
     
  9. Volga Boatman

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    "Divide and Rule" is a very old practice from the British Isles. They learnt it from their Roman occupiers, taking on many things Roman as the Ancient Britons did.

    It may be time for the U.N. to overturn 'Balfour' and come up with a workable document that has something in it for all concerned.....Jerusalum could be made an 'open' city, ala Danzig. Just a suggestion. The endless round of limited conflicts and one off offensives doesn't seem to be acieving anything lasting in the way of peace....or...are the Israeli's simply 'out-britoning' the Britons and practicing 'divide and rule' for their own ends?
     
  10. J B

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    This is sad. With no doubt, anti-Semitism played a major role during World War II. But if it is the highest no since the Second Great War itself, then that is definitely an issue to be concerned with. I believe that all man is created equally, and all of that, so I don't consider myself a racist at all. The fact that racism is still a problem in the world is just disappointing. I suppose anti-Semitism in particular, will only continue to rise...
     
  11. TiredOldSoldier

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    Racisn is generally on the rise everywhere, immigration in Europe is a hot topic and lots of politicos are succesfully riding the racist horse. If the rise anti semitism is really triggered by Israelian action it doesn't disturb me that much, not agreeing with everything Israel does is not anti semitism. BTW Volga Jerusalem was a sort of "open" city under the 1948 UN declaration but it was taken by Israel in 1967. The current Middle East situation can best be described as "an unholy mess in holy land".
     
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    Unholy mess alright....

    Somebody needs to do something, before the lot of them drag us ALL into their damned conflict.

    It may well start with educating this generation to live and let live, rather than filling their heads full of the same ol'crap thats been going round and round ad nauseum since 1091.
     
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    urqh Tea drinking surrender monkey

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    Love it..blame everyone else for historical problems. Lets you live with the problems of today without actually trying to face up to todays problems. The British never put a plane in the air in 67, a man across suez in Yom Kippur, forced Jordanians across waterways in 50's altered water routes in 90's invaded lebanon, fire missiles into tel aviv, let phosphorous flow over gaza. Seal borders in gaza and egypt. Stop medical cases getting to hospitals, used arab dad and kid as target practice on tv...Bombed cafes in tel aviv beaches..Blame the brits by all means..If it helps you all. Then take another look. And keep blaming the Brits..Then ask why Churchill got fed up with yanks telling them how to run the partitioned lands and he stated if they think they can do better let em..and we legged it off..after seeing our troops massacred unarmed in tents asleep. King David bombed and rescue vehicles mobbed and stopped from attending while they could still rescue the trapped by Jewish mobs. Well before Twin towers...Get real on what is happening now before we all start quoting what the heck have you done to help...or in some major cases...what have you dont that hinders...
     
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    You make a good point Urqh, my Dad never had much love for the 'Jewish struggle' being as they murdered those British troops who had not so long before freed them from the camps.
     
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    As usual, Urquy, you are the voice of REASONABLENESS.

    Nothing less than we expect from the Antipodeans....

    The relationship between nieghbours Australia and New Zealand should be held up as an example to the rest of the world of how two countries who are niebouring can truly get along.....and bash the **** out of oneanother on the sporting field! Happy Australia day....
     
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    This is a very interesting point. I too would love to see the statistics on this, if there is any.
     
  17. LRusso216

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    My question is, why is this news? Antisemitism has been a fact of life for thousands of years. It existed in Europe from before the Crusades, and in the Middle East from the time of Muhammad. How do the British get the blame? Do we forget that antisemitism lay at the core of Nazi philosophy? Can we bypass the pogroms in Russia? Should we be concerned that it seems on the rise? Of course, but that doesn't mean that it disappeared in the last 65 years. It is apparent in the US today, and I well remember anti-Jewish statements from people I knew growing up in the 50s. The formation of Israel in 1948 simply gives a place on which to focus the anitsmeitism from around the world. I won't get into casting blame, there is enough of that to go around. I think we're better off recognizing that it exists (as does a lot of other anti-s) and try to personally get beyond it.
     
  18. Mehar

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    Sorry for the ignorance on the matter, but do you have more info on this? First I'm hearing of it.

    I don't think anyone is saying it was solely the British governments fault for what happened, but the British definitely had a hand in much of the worlds politics, the foundations if you will. I doubt the original British armies would have ever though the policies they enacted in commonwealth nations would lead to the issues they did in todays society.

    If that made sense.
     
  19. Heinrich

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    The rise in incidents is quite simply explainable , we've seen the same happen after 9-11 in increasing of anti arab incidents/sentiments ..
    After invading a civil area with a huge military apparatus live on TV for the world to watch angered a lot of people, not only arabics .
    Now its going to take a few years again at least now for calming down of the situation .
    Personally think it was the most harmfull thing the Israelis did to themselves in a long time .We all saw the artillery fire , the clusterbomblets in deltashaped explosions ,the dead civilians , the terror amongst the people on the streets ... no way the Israeli's could have expected the world to approve of those gung-ho actions just before elections ..

    Another remark I like to make is that the incidents mentioned in Holland are a bit overdrawn , its not just the arab israel issue here but a total polarization of our local politics that fuels a different fire only its being drawn under the antisemitism banner . Just a simple football game is already becoming an antisemitic event sometimes ..(bad,but true)
    The question also implies its a muslim/religious conflict wich its not . In Europe jews have been pogrommed and diaspora'ed on religious grounds ,but.. by christians ,not by Arabs for those who forgot :) .

    Although the world owes an awfull lot to our Tommy friends you simply cant say they're not a direct cause for whats happening in the middle east now.It may all be spilled milk now but just let us have a look :
    The Brits did promise the Arab fighters they were fighting for a free arabia in ww1 and in the end all they ended up with was the new state of Saudi Arabia were Faisal came from .
    Dont forget either the area we talk about was not just classic arabia but all what we now call the middle east , including Israel/palestina and Syria Lebanon etc .

    After the Anglo-French pact the countries involved became all official colonies wich implies the 'oppressor' is then fully responsible for what is happening in that country and with its inhabitants and their civil rights .
    When after ww2 the jewish people wanted to settle in Palestina the arabs agreed at first on giving a piece of land where Israel was founded on . Things hitted the fan when the Brits moved out of the beehive and left the original inhabitants to their own ..and these were deportated from the grounds they lived on for over 2000 years .. sofar the protectorate for them .

    Look, Im not saying Israel should not be there ,god knows they deserved a place of their own , but under the british crown there has been done a lot of wrongs to the original arab citizens already and when things got hot and Britain pulled out and the UN didnt step in either it got worse quickly .
    We should have had both party's guided under the UN flag , but I suppose the world was too full of guilt towards the jewish people already to be bothered with a bunch of Arabs ..And the Brits didn't feel much for fighting the newly come 'colonizers' fearing the public opinion .Whatever solutions were possible , simply leaving was the worst thing to do .
    (we dont do that in Iraq and Afghanistan now either. )

    Sorry , but those are the direct consequences of taking colonies . On the other hand there should never have been Arab wars towards Israel later on either ..besides they lost every single time they also lost their goodwill with many countries considering the original problem .
    Had Israel been founded inside a French colony then I dont think things would have been much better either . But right now idd say put both parties under UN mandate ..better for everyone !
     
  20. urqh

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    Dont know about the figures, but I'd hazard my own guess if I were to look at Germany, Russia and Eastern states. Not many Muslims doing it there I guess. But still plenty of anti Jewish folk willing to lift their right hand. Generally of a younger generation.

    In the old countries of Europe for want of a better word. We have our similar if not numerically equal numbers of the same sort.

    If your looking to see if its muslims going around at the dead of night upturning gravestones or wrting on walls you may be dissapointed.

    If we see the figures for Jewish ones I'd ideally like to see the same figures for Muslim and Sikhs and Hindu temples and buildings etc. They will be as numerous and probably done by same folk...at least in UK. Cant speak for elsewhere.

    In Northern Ireland there is a serious anti immigrant problem. And I'm not just talking about the recent Romanian case. Try being a pole in Belfast. A Chinese in Derry. And it aint hitler loving anti jewish thugs running around doing it. And it certainly isnt muslims sneaking off camera in the middle of the night. Its good old religious christian Sunday worshipers and Saturday football fans in Northern Ireland..Beat em up on Saturday...go to church on Sunday...Halleluja
     

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