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Discussion in 'Eastern Europe February 1943 to End of War' started by renx90, Oct 29, 2009.

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  1. Devilsadvocate

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    The term "Captive Nations" has been in use for many decades. It is not something I made up. Captive Nations Week (the third week in July) was officially proclaimed by the US government in 1959. The term refers to nations under Soviet domination. A list of those countries may be found here; CAPTIVE NATIONS

    There is also a Captive Nations Committee which was established by public law 86-90 signed by President Eisenhower. See; National Captive Nations Committee - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    As for the use of the word "scum" to describe Russian Soldiers, that is an accusation by you which has absolutely no basis in fact. The word "scum" was used to describe the way many citizens of the Baltic countries feel about their Baltic countrymen who fought with the Soviets. It does not refer to, nor imply, that the Soviets soldiers were "scum". The actual sentence that uses that word is;

    "Let's just say I'm not as cynical as you are, and I can certainly understand why the Baltic states consider those who fought against the Soviets as heroes, and those who fought with them as traitorous scum."

    It describes the feelings of those Baltic citizens who feel that the Soviet Union oppressed the countries of Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania. I do not necessarily share those feelings, but I can certainly understand them.

    Now, I trust I have addressed your "concerns" about this thread?
     
  2. Devilsadvocate

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    I thought I made my willingness to "agree to disagree" with Kruska, obvious. I personally don't care what he thinks. My position is that those Baltic states citizens who honor the men who fought with the Germans and despise those who fought with the Soviets, have valid reasons to feel the way they do. Apparently, Kruska feels otherwise, which is fine by me. His opinions are his, and he is free to express them. I, however, do not value those opinions, and Kruska will just have to live with that.
     
  3. Sloniksp

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    DA, if you look at the very bottom of the post in question, you will see the following.....

    Last edited by Devilsadvocate; December 31st, 2009 at 12:08 AM. Reason: edited for spelling and clarity


    Imperialistic you say?

    Imperialistic = The policy of extending a nation's authority by territorial acquisition or by the establishment of economic and political hegemony over other nations.

    Russia has started 1 war with a foreign power in the last 40 years.

    How many military campaigns has the U.S. been involved in, in the last 20 years?
    Shall I even mention the political and economical "acquisitions"?

    Authoritarian? Are you speaking only of Stalin's time?

    The misunderstanding over the NATO expansion that brought decades of grief - By Bill Bradley | Foreign Policy


    I was waiting for this statement.

    "No offense Russia, but we're joining NATO because your evil and we're afraid. But dont worry, we will still allow you to continue supplying us with discounted prices on oil and natural gas which we desperately need. Oh and if you dont mind we would still like to come to Russia to find jobs when we cant find any here at home in order to support our families."

    :rolleyes:

    That's right!
    Who cares that we invaded their country. Who cares that the Arabs dont want us their. We know whats best for them, we will even put their oil to good use after we teach them democracy.

    Not imperialist at all.

    I wonder when we will see U.S. marines in Darfur.... (I wont hold my breath)


    DA,

    I dont want you to be under the impression that I am comparing the SU to the U.S. I am doing no such thing. I am only comparing the dirty game of politics. In this game no country has her hands clean and the U.S. is no different.
     
  4. Totenkopf

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    Tomcat sort of put it better I suppose.
     
  5. Tomcat

    Tomcat The One From Down Under

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    I agree with your posts here, so that is that then.

    Lets move on.;)
     
  6. Devilsadvocate

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    SO what? You claimed I made a specific statement which I didn't; You were going to check with the mods to reproduce my statement; but apparently there was no such statement in my original post. The fact that I edited my post to correct spelling and syntax doesn't give you carte blanch to change my words.

    Well, how about that. I guess Afghanistan doesn't count? The proxy wars don't count? I notice you limit the time period to the last 40 years, as if the WW II and pre-WW II period didn't happen.

    No, the Soviet Union was authoritarian all through it's entire sorry history, and Putin's Russia isn't much better.

     
  7. Tomcat

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    Seeing as this thread has gone off topic, with politics off all things which isn't even ww2 politics, and seeing as it is quickly becoming a slogging match it will now be closed and reopened in a few days.

    Think about why this has happened and lets try to keep it on topic, lets keep it relevant, all politics discussions are to be in the Stump regardless of time frame or relevance to the thread, and keep the slogging matches to a bare minimum.

    Thread Closed.
     
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