Fury (2014)

We import them from Germany.......

 

Perhaps they filmed in in the UK because Bovington wanted to be sure 131 was returned .

Skylinedrive. April was certainly late in 1945 and I suspect many German soldiers were trying to get to the Western front though some fanatical , do or die, groups no doubt existed.. The ill fated Task Force Braun (sp?) was late March and it was plain war fare if my memory still works. I have not see the movie yet but it appears the storyline was a bit forced from reviews. I do want to see the combat scenes as in my childhood we got to explore a M4 at the National Guard Armory, inside and out. In the 80's my children discovered the bottom hatch to the M 4 at the Ardennes Military Museum was open so we explored it too, but it was extremely rusty inside.

I will go , not expecting well scripted and plotted movie, but certainly expecting to see some good AFV footage.

 

Then you will not be disappointed, I even admit that I will go to see Fury a second time with some buddies. But what makes me mad is that when you have so much money at hand , just do some extra work, go the extra mile and get some accuracy into your plot. And for the love of god hire a former senior NCO or officer as military advisor! Some stuff was just too much, the four Shermans they ha dwere always bunched up like teenage cheerleaders dumped into a mexican bordello! Drivers don't hesitate a second to steer their beasts into a freshly tilled and plowed field in April 1945, after a prolonged period of rainfall! Totally undisciplined GI's, that was just not the norm, it happened but very seldom and not everything together!

 

You're right there......I kept grinding my teeth and thinking 'You're too close - you're too close !'

 

I have never understood war movies listing military advisors then showing troops/tanks all bunched up. . Perhaps it is to show more actors on the screen or trying to cause tension , false of not.

Fury seems to have gone to the greatest links to get everything correct in terms of equipment, uniforms, etc then cannot come up with a plausible story. Frustrating no doubt. But we think we are the audience being WW2 fans and has been said here countless times, we are not the "target" group, no pun intended.

Oddly the other day "Sink the Bismark" popped up on the TV, model ships in a swimming pool and all. I actually enjoyed it because it did not try so hard. A low budget but watchable film...

 

Ok not the greatest plot but in terms of accuracy in weapons and equipment in my opinion it exceeds every other movie out their. So awesome to watch a German Tiger tank that doesn't look like and M60 Patton ..

All we need to do is get one of the older WWII movies that had a decent plot and mix it in with modern special effects and weapon/equipment accuracy and we will all be happy, Actually, Which old WWII film would you like to see remade? (Assuming they managed to do so in a way that didn't ruin it)

 

Battle of Britain?
Dambusters?

 

a month or so ago when i first heard about this movie i thot, oh great another Brad Pitt Inglorious Bastard flick. pass

then i read..they be using a real Tiger tank! wooo. looked closer and it became a must see.

saw the movie last weekend. Bottom line, i loved it. Battle scenes were great. Agree with others about the Shermans bunching up like that. but was also done
in A Bridge Too Far and they said it was for a better scene.

Now on to the Tiger fight. Was a bit disappointed that the Tiger was just a short bit of the movie but still well done. But my first thots were.. why was the Tiger moving out
of its hull down cover and into the open field. Then i realized. They shot a smoke screen in front of its "face" .. the Tiger crew knew there were still 3 Shermans out there and
they could not see them behind the smoke. So its either go forward or retreat.

Tiger crew was not of the Michael Wittmann stock that is for sure. But it was a 4 to 1 fight and they did get 3. I did think it odd that the 88 shot bounced off the logs. but it must have been
a glancing shot and not dead on. if it was dead on i do not think the logs would have helped much. Will have to see the movie again and look for the Crossroads scene as mentioned above for the battle damage (did not notice first time)

one thing occured to me about the final Crossroads battle. The SS approaching the tank. Maybe at first they think it a knocked out abandoned tank. but i would think i would notice it odd that all the hatches are closed. If it was a knocked out and burning tank i do not think the crews would stop to close the hatches after bailing out

did it not seem to get dark fast? it was daylight when the Germans were climbing on the tank. then after the battle started it was night.


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the one thing that kind of bugged me was at the end. Pitt gets shot from close range with a military sniper rifle in the chest. sure it knocked him down. and ok. MAYBE he could get up again
but being hit 2 more times? and still being ok inside the tank? More like a Brad Pitt heroic superman ending there. I mean, rifles like that drop a moose in one shot. A human? do not think you can get up after that.

 

Especially when you look at the physilogical effects of being shot...(whilst not under the effects of drugs) the cavitation creates a larger damge zone inside the body...it saps your energy (bit like being winded without the breathlessness) and sits you on your backside even if it doesnt kill you...some rounds have low cavitation and some (like 556) are very fast and can go right through a target without the "sit down" effect...

 

. The SS approaching the tank. Maybe at first they think it a knocked out abandoned tank. but i would think i would notice it odd that all the hatches are closed.


i think the movie revived a grand old WWII movie tradition - everyone knows that German soldiers were stupid !

 

I think it rather revived a grand old Hollywood movie tradition- everyone knows the audience is stupid !

 

And they get killed like flies? Sounds like wolfenstain "Wo ist da?"

 

There are several rules that infantry must observe when attacking an immobile tank.

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1. Always charge from the front so the bow gunner can hit you.

2 Throw away all the fausts you were carrying so you can bring forth the big box of them halfway through the fight.

3 When troops are rushing at the tank. Throw grenades at it. Your squadmates will thank you.

4. Under no circumstances position several mg's in cover and wait for a target you can kill before firing.

5. Always circle the tank aimlessly until someone notices and kills you.

6 Never ever crawl slowly until you're under their guns before attacking.

 

3 When troops are rushing at the tank. Throw grenades at it. Your squadmates will thank you.

Hilarious, Pacificist. Loved the infantry rules.

 

Hahahaha. Thank you. This is exactly what I have been waiting for someone to point out. Wish I knew how to create the drop down to hide the spoiler. Well done.

 

I saw this movie with my wife. I was impressed, I typically find myself always picking apart movies about WWII and the Civil War in particular. This one was different. To me, it used WWII as more of curtain dressing to give an idea of what can cause PTSD. Ayers was a veteran, a submariner, and this movie can be looked at as symbolism from start to finish. For instance:

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- The "new guy"... you can't jump into the end of 4 years of war (for the US, you Brits/Commonwealth had it quite a bit longer), see what is going on and completely understand why they are, for lack a better word, crazy. Eating a "civilized" dinner in a house in the middle of a war, playing "normal" (more on this in a minute), shooting a captured German in the back for wearing a U.S. overcoat, the glazed, bloodshot eyes, breaking down when out of sight of your crew... The new guy is US, the viewer. We have a preconceived idea of what war is, thanks in part to Hollywood, and it is not all its cracked up to be. The new guy brings us in, as an innocent, naive kid and drops into a crew that have been together and seen the worst humanity has to offer for three years (42-45).

- The lunch/dinner scene. This is what everyone expected these guys (and all of them since) to do when they got back, no matter where they were or what they did. They were expected to come home and act as if nothing happened, to pick up where they left all those years ago. Pitt's character was trying to capture what he imagined life to be like in the future, his crew coming in as everyone sits down to eat embodied the reality, that nothing would be the same again anytime soon, maybe not ever. Not only all that, but it also, I think gives the impetus for Pitt's character to know, "I can't go home. I am all used up. There is no normal anymore." Which is why he chooses to stay and fight at the end. It was a suicide mission, but his life was over as he knew it anyway.

- The ending- yeah it was far fetched, much like Tom Hanks' "Earn this.... Earn it". But that wasn't the point. The point was, IMHO, for the new guy, us, the war was over. He is being called a "hero" as they pulled him out of the tank when he just watched what became is family (in the compressed amount of time a movie can show) die. He is leaving his "family" in that tank. It was blatant: "Wanna know what survivor's guilt looks like or why? This." The look on his face as he realizes it is over almost screams: "That's it? Now what am I supposed to do? After all this... what?"

Anyway that is what I took from it. This movie's symbolism moved me and Ayers gets props for that. No not everything is perfect tactics wise (i.e.-bunched tanks as earlier mentioned) but if you look at it as more of "All Quiet on the Western Front" meets "Born on the 4th of July", I think you will appreciate it more.

For what it's worth: I loved it. It changed how I look at my grandfather and what he must have gone through. I won't lie, when I got back to the car. I just sat there for a minute collecting my thoughts.

 

KJ Jr

Of the "Reply" toolbar, it is the 3rd icon - the bar graph looking one - that is for the "Special BBCode", click on that, and from the dropdown box, select "spoiler" and enter type the text you want to hide.

Or use the code - spoiler(enclosed in [ ]), type the text you want to hide, and end it with /spoiler(enclosed in [ ]). Just like you would with using the img /img or quote /quote.

 

I went to see it at a Friday matinee. It wasn't the best shoot'em up ever made, but far from the worst. Several scenes were not needed, the dinner scene and the shooting of the POW for example, but several members discussed them already here. And the end scene was a bit much, but hey, it was a shoot'em up, and as shoot'em ups go, it was a shooter that's for sure. They did pay attention to detail (grimy uniforms, lingo, weapons, etc) and man those tanks looked great. A bit gritty it was, but so is a shootin' war so I've read. Oh and I do think that two German potato mashers would do more damage in a confined space than portrayed in the movie, but overall I liked it.

 

Were not German "potato mashers" concussion types where as ours were shard producing types, hence the scoring. . Might make a difference.

Gaines

 

Well the point I was making is that Brad Pitt's character's carcass would've been a bit more scuffed up when they both went off. His hair for example, would be mussed up some you know.