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Myths regarding Roosevelt

Discussion in 'Pearl Harbor' started by steverodgers801, Aug 10, 2011.

  1. Takao

    Takao Ace

    Apr 27, 2010
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    Reading, PA
    The USN was weaker and the Japanese could have sunk all the US carriers???

    The US was roughly equal in terms of the large "fleet": carriers: The US had the Lexington, Saratoga, Yorktown, Enterprise and the recently commissioned Wasp & Hornet, as opposed to the Japanese Akagi, Kaga, Soryu, Hiryu, and the recently commissioned Shokaku & Zuikaku. So, if you say the Japanese could have sunk all US carriers, you also have to accept the fact that the US could also sink all the Japanese carriers. You also have to face the fact that the Americans also believed that they could defeat the Japanese rather easily, just as the Japanese though that the Allies would fall to defeat just as easily. Although the US high command was practically begging FDR not to provoke the Japanese because they knew that the US needed about 6 months to complete their military buildup in the Pacific - which was already falling behind schedule.

    Germany was the bigger threat, that is true, however the US was not really in a position to effect any diplomatic or military outcome with Germany. Any economic "wars" were essentially meaningless, and any military action would need a declaration of war - which the US population was not wholly ready for, nor was the US Army ready to fight a war in Europe due to a lack of...well, everything.

    Also, while Germany was the larger threat, Japan was the "easier" target, and it was believed that Japan would cave to American demands rather than risk a war that Japan could not hope to win, and would likely result in her national destruction.

    EDIT: have your actually read the Japanese proposals & counter-proposals...They are a joke, and poor ones at that.
  2. SymphonicPoet

    SymphonicPoet Member

    Sep 7, 2009
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    Further, I would say that the European war had little need of a large U.S. surface fleet. The British had that one pretty well in hand by late 1941. What was needed in the Atlantic was lots and lots of logistics: troopships, freighters, tankers, and so forth. Most were sent to the Atlantic straight off the ways until fairly late in the war. The forces in the Pacific were largely those extraneous to the European war. It's rather fortunate that the two were such different animals. It mitigated the "two front" nature of the war considerably.
  3. lwd

    lwd Ace

    Jul 24, 2007
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    The US was willilng to reach an agreement with Japan. The embargos and such were a reaction to Japan's actions in China. The US rather clearly stated what was necessary to end such embargos. There was never a questionof giving oil to Japan.

    By the measures of the time this is simply not accurate. Nor was it clear in the US even to the USN just how much the IJN had improved in the period from say 1939 to mid 1941.
    How? The USN always had at least one carrier in the Atlantic.

    Thus the Europe/Germany first policy.
    What makes you think they were? The oil embargo for instance was instituted due to an interpretation of an admin official whether or not it was intended by the law that was passed is debateable.

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