BERLIN: A founding member of a left-wing terrorist group turned neo-Nazi was convicted Wednesday in Munich of Holocaust denial and sentenced to six years in prison after a judge accused him of using the courtroom to spread his message of hate. Horst Mahler — a founder of the Red Army Faction in 1970 — was convicted of incitement for posting videos denying the Holocaust on the Internet and distributing CDs promoting anti-Jewish hatred and violence. Denial of the Nazi Holocaust is a crime in Germany. Mahler, who initiated the Munich state court case by filing a complaint against himself, was accused by Presiding Judge Martin Rieder as using the courtroom as a stage to promote his "nationalist croaking." Mahler used his right to make a closing statement at the trial to give an hours-long monologue, repeating his denial of the Holocaust and expressing his sympathy for Richard Williamson, the Roman Catholic bishop whose assertion that no Jews were gassed during the Holocaust embarrassed the Vatican. "The rage of the people is at the boiling point," he said in defense of Williamson, telling the judges: "Watch out that you don't get scalded." Rieder sentenced Mahler to one year above the maximum recommended five years in prison, saying he is "completely unrepentant and totally unteachable." "It was as if these people have had to die again," Rieder said. "Therefore, the Horst Mahler show has now ended." The Simon Wiesenthal Center in Jerusalem hailed the verdict and sentence. "It reinforces the message that there's no tolerance for Holocaust denial, and it is a strong reminder that the courts should not be misused by deniers to disseminate their lies," said the Wiesenthal Center's Efraim Zuroff. Mahler did not say in court whether he would appeal the sentence but prosecutor Andrea Titz said she was certain he would. It was the latest in a string of neo-Nazi-related convictions for Mahler, who is a lawyer. In addition, a court in Mainz in 2003 found Mahler guilty of condoning a crime for saying the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks in the United States were justified and fined him several thousand euros (dollars). He was also convicted in the mid-1970s for Red Army Faction-related activities — including several bank robberies and for helping notorious terrorist Andreas Baader, another founding member of the group, to escape from jail. He was sentenced to 14 years in prison but was released in 1980 after he made several public statements condemning terrorism and Red Army Faction methods. Mahler then joined the far-right National Democratic Party, from 2000 to 2003, and acted as its attorney. German neo-Nazi convicted of Holocaust denial - International Herald Tribune
Neo-Nazis plotting 'Fourth Reich' in Germany A defector from Germany's hard-core neo-Nazi party the NPD has painted a chilling picture of the rise of new Hitler worshippers and their plans to build the "Fourth Reich". By Allan Hall in Berlin Last Updated: 5:51PM GMT 26 Feb 2009 A skinhead supporter of the rightwing German National Democratic Party, NPD Photo: AP Uwe Luthardt was a senior member of the NPD but quit to inform on the party which Germany tried unsuccessfully to ban several years ago. He told of weapons stores and how members greet each other with "Heil Hitler" salutes, sing the banned songs of the Third Reich and relish the idea of a new Holocaust against the Jews. Last year neo-Nazi attacks in Germany reached an all-time high and authorities are battling to stop youngsters from being attracted to the politics of the right – particularly now that Germany is in a deep recession and jobs are being lost by the thousands every day. Luthardt, a former board member of the party, said he was threatened that he could "disappear" if he informed on its inner workings. "Someone who just quits usually gets a lot of problems, and can find himself waking up in intensive care," he said. "It wasn't really my world. When you went along to evening meetings, you saw all the shaven heads, and a black sun or other Nazi symbols tattooed on arms. They usually just boozed or were abusive. If there's no opponent around, they just fight among themselves. "Many have an IQ close to my shoe size. Most of them are simply failures: failed pupils, people who dropped out of school or their apprenticeships, alcoholics that can't find a foothold anywhere else, thugs. But every local organisation has three to five men who don't have criminal records. They're the ones sent to face the press or man information stands. "I joined because I wanted to do something for Germany, I wasn't interest in a Greater Germany. And suddenly everyone was saying we'll take back Silesia in Poland and then we'll give the communists a thrashing." He said old Nazis living in South America still donate to the party and other funds come from the staging of skinhead-music concerts. He went on: "The simple aim is the restoration of the Reich in which a new storm trooper organisation takes revenge on anyone who disagrees with them. "In Jena in East Germany in the NPD HQ there are a load of SS pictures in the cellar. And there's a room with weapons. "'Let's kick out all the foreigners, then the Germans will have jobs again' – that's the basic concept the NPD talks about. They only refer to freight trains when no one from outside is listening." That is a chilling reference to the murder of the six million Jews of Europe during the Third Reich, most of whom were transported to extermination centres in railway cattle cars. "They want the Jews and the foreigners to be transported away once more once they've taken over the country again. Internally there's very plain speaking. And the singing of the Horst Wessel song - the anthem of the original Nazi party – is also very popular. "But there are internal documents which clearly state how everyone should behave in public. Anything to do with the Third Reich is especially sensitive. "The dream is of the German Reich. They're totally convinced that they'll win an election one day and that things will really get going. Everyone can imagine what would happen then." http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...o-Nazis-plotting-Fourth-Reich-in-Germany.html
MoRoNs. Also, is skin-flint afraid to show his face? :lol::lol: I've got another one.Give me a black permanent marker-and I can draw Charlie Browns face on the back of his head :lol: :lol: :lol:
I "love" journalists who refer to Nazis as right wingers. There is nothing "right wing" about them. Look at their name: National Socialist Workers Party! It is to the right of communism but to the left of "democratic socialists" (Europeans and Obamites (well, maybe not for them)) all of which are LEFT of center. Yes, I agree Neo-Nazis are just as crazy or crazier than the original brand!
Yes the NPD keep trying to break through, they were suspected of being involved in the stabbing of the Police Chief in Bavaria after the banned swastika flag was draped over a coffin of a dead nazi. Plenty more news, some of it good; NEO-NAZIS are using the global financial crisis to stir resentment against immigrants in Germany and recruit new members, a defector says. Uwe Luthardt, a former senior member of Germany's neo-Nazi National Democratic Party, told Spiegel Online that the neo-Nazi group saw it as an opportune time to try and restore the policies of Adolf Hitler's Third Reich. During the Nazis' reign in Germany from 1933 to 1945, some six million Jews were killed in death camps alongside hundreds of thousands of gypsies, homosexuals, political opponents and disabled people. "The simple aim is the restoration of the Reich in which a new stormtrooper organisation takes revenge on anyone who disagrees with them," he said. He said the NDP headquarters in Jena in eastern Germany had a room full of weapons and was decorated with pictures of the SS. "'The basic concept the NPD talks about is, "Let's kick out all the foreigners, then the Germans will have jobs again," he said. "The dream is of the German Reich. They're totally convinced that they'll win an election one day and that things will really get going. Everyone can imagine what would happen then." German unemployment rose this month as the country was gripped by its worst recession in six decades, and analysts say worse is to come despite another uptick in consumer confidence. Figures released yesterday by the national labour agency put German unemployment at 8.5 percent of the workforce, with 63,000 more people looking for work than in January, the biggest monthly gain since 2005. Neo-Nazis &squo;exploiting financial crisis&squo; | Herald Sun .kl351457a18236893 img{border-color:#222222 } In the middle of the economic crisis, the rise of unemployment and poor state of the economy, there has been a rise in Neo-Nazism in Germany. In various ways, the leaders of such groups are trying to gather as many young people as possible that are upset with the politics that led to the crisis. Experts fear that a fall in living standards in that country could lead to the formation of a so called Fourth Reich. According to their opinion, the current situation can be compared to the situation between 1920 and 1930 that led to the formation of the Third Reich. Uwe Luthardt is a former official from the Neo-Nazi National Democratic Party of Germany (NPD) from which he left after only three months. He told his experiences to the German Der Spiegel. Party officials greet each other with Heil Hitler He revealed that members of the NPD greet each other with Heil Hitler. Besides that, they reveal that they receive financial aid from old members of the Nazi association that live in South America. “In the media the members of the NPD declare themselves as right orientated democrats” said Luthardt for Spiegel. However, none of them mention the secret basements, whose walls are covered in Nazi symbols, or the secret rooms where weapons are stored. “Their infantry are not allowed to speak in public. It is quite unusual when they open their mouths. If that happens, they are soon made quiet. All members of the party are trained to act that way” says a former member of the right extremists. Neo-Nazis from Germany want to exile all foreigners The main aim of the Neo-Nazis is to exile all foreigners from Germany so that Germans can keep their jobs. Besides that, they are prepared to take revenge against everyone that does not agree with their stances, claims the ex NPD member. Those who choose to leave the party have problems. “One of the party leaders hosted me and said that members do not leave the party. I told him that I know more about him that he knows about me. Since then he kept quiet” says Luthardt. He added that he joined the party because he wanted something better for Germany, but he soon realised that he had entered a very unusual company of people. Number of Neo-Nazi attacks increasing Every day the number of unemployed in Germany rises, and the number of young Neo-Nazis also rises. During this month, 7,000 extremists gathered in Dresden, on the anniversary of the coalition bombing in 1945, when 25,000 people died. Besides the number of members, the number of attacks against immigrants, anti-Nazi activists and Jews is growing. German intelligence considers that young people, as well as their parents could enter extreme right politics. Fourth Reich – Plan of German Neo-Nazis - World - Javno And the good news; Germany's Far-Right NPD in Self-Destruct Mode The embarrassments for Germany's far-right NPD party just keep coming. A power struggle for the party's leadership is getting more and more bitter as party finances collapse. It has become something of a political ritual in Germany to call for the right-extremist National Democratic Party (NPD) to be banned whenever there is an incident of neo-Nazi violence. Berlin, though, has been loathe to touch the issue after Germany's high court threw out a petition to ban the party in 2003, much to the embarrassment of the state. But if the goal is to marginalize the party, the NPD itself may succeed where politics have failed. A steady stream of scandals, including a power struggle within the NPD, a funding crisis and various other debacles, is beginning to look a lot like slow-motion self-destruction. The latest in-fighting revolves around who will challenge the unpopular party leader Udo Voigt at the upcoming party convention. In a sudden turnaround, candidate Andreas Molau announced Wednesday that he will not run for the position as planned. Instead of Molau, a 40-year-old former Waldorf school teacher who is press spokesman for the party's Mecklenburg-Western Pomeranian branch, Udo Pastörs, the NPD's powerful floor leader in the Mecklenburg-Western Pomeranian state assembly, will now run for the position of party boss. Molau made a surprise announcement last December that he would challenge Voigt for the position of party leader at the NPD's national party convention at the end of March. Molau was supported in his bid by Pastörs and Holger Apfel, who is NPD floor leader in the Saxony state assembly. The leadership challenge is due to Voigt's unpopularity among many of the party's members, who accuse him of sharing the blame for a donation scandal in which the party's former national treasurer Erwin Kemna embezzled €740,000. Kemna is now in prison serving an almost three year sentence. Molau's decision to take on Voigt caused an unprecedented bout of mudslinging to break out in the party's ranks. In an amateurish video interview, the NPD's deputy leader Jürgen Rieger, who belongs to the ultra-right wing of the ultra-right NPD, took pleasure in bad-mouthing Molau. Among other things, he accused Molau of being "one-eighth Jewish." Molau responded in kind in his statement Wednesday withdrawing his candidacy. He accused Voigt of being a "compliant puppet of the stock market speculator Rieger" and said that Rieger had "spread wild speculation and brazen lies about me" in his "dirty interview." According to Molau, Rieger had accused him of wanting to "get blacks to join the NPD." Molau also accused Voigt of incompetence in connection with the Kemna affair. A party leader "who doesn't notice that six-figure sums are disappearing from the party's coffers" no longer deserves to lead the party, he said. "At the moment I can't say if I will stay in the party or not," Molau told SPIEGEL ONLINE. However he said that he was definitely not available for a position in the party under Voigt or Rieger as leader. Molau recently resigned from the party's national committee over party in-fighting. Voigt called for clarity within the ranks. "The other side should finally make up its mind what it wants and who they want to put forward as a candidate for party leader," he told SPIEGEL ONLINE. In a video interview recently published on the NPD's Web site, Voigt called for an end to squabbling in the party. In the clip, in which Voigt is seen staring reflectively at a river, the NPD boss refers to media reports that the party is in self-destruct mode. In an unintentionally comic scene, Voigt points at the tree behind him and says: "When I see this weeping willow in the background, I regret that we find ourselves in this situation." Molau's withdrawal effectively weakens the relatively moderate wing of the NPD, which condemns -- at least in public -- neo-Nazi violence. Some observers are already talking of a "schism" within the NPD. more; In-Fighting, Pornography and Embezzlement: Germany's Far-Right NPD in Self-Destruct Mode - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International
Well the Skinhead look so to speak was not founded on Nazi-esque principles. Apparently Jamaicans an poor council estate kids back in the 60s started that look. Although the Doc martins plus the shaved head look was widely used in many countries. Shaved head=cant have hair pulled in fight, maybe
This article sounds more like Political bait revved up by the left to counter any Nationalist leanings among German citizens now that things are changing.
Here's a video I found a whole ago which is pretty damn interesting. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0qdbe91-_o Anti Neo-Nazi marchers are attacked by Neo Nazis.
That's about right, the 1967-8 skinheads were mainly white kids interested in Jamacian music such a Skar and Regae (Desmond Dekker amongst others) the white kids tended to shave rather than cut their hair. They prefered a clean almost purtian hairstyle and dress to the long haired Hippy style of the same era. Later in the late 1970s and early 1980s kids similarly interested in what was called Two Tone music (The Specials etc) had a similar but less extreme hair cut (sometimes called a suede cut) and were again multicultural (hence the name) and tended to dress more like the 1960s mod, this youth group has died out. The standard white shave headed -soccer holligan -boot boy nazi-phyl-, developed from about 1968-69 parrel to the music fans and this group still exists, it is much more international, basically any white race- US, UK, Canada, Germany, Nordic and through to the "white" Russian states. Steve
Good point razin, in the UK it deffo wasn't neo-nazi although it did get hijacked- in the rest of the world it seems to be uniquely racist - not quite sure how that happened. However minority based or ridiculous these neo-nazis are we do have to keep an eye on them.
Yes they do need watching. It would have been nice if the British could still say "skinheads- harmless they hang around listening to It mek and get on well with afro-carrabians!"
