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Sturmgewehr 44

Discussion in 'Small Arms and Edged Weapons' started by PactOfSteel, Jan 17, 2008.

  1. Jaeger

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    Za

    ...... or it could be that I was too lazy to type PactOfSteel and decided to write POS.

    I hope that I'm not in trouble for typing Za rather than Za Rodinu, it might be an acronym for something nasty.
     
  2. Tony Williams

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    Anything which improved the performance of the German Army and thereby delayed the end of the war would have had one result: the first atom bombs would have been dropped on Germany instead of Japan.
     
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    PactOfSteel Dishonorably Discharged

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    Sturmgewehr, greatest weapon of the war. GERMAN made.
     
  5. Hufflepuff

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    Even if you're talking about small arms only, I disagree.
     
  6. JCFalkenbergIII

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    And yet for being the "Greatest" weapon of the war it was not adopted by any other country after the war and pretty much faded into relative obscurity.
     
  7. PactOfSteel

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    AK-47 is still the most used and the most reliable weapon today!
     
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    Spot on Tony! This is probably the single most ignored concept that a lot of pro-waffen alternate historians forget. If you extend the European war just a few months, (via the me262, V2, atomic bomb or another wonder weapon) Germany would receive the only wonder-weapon that mattered; the A-bomb.
    Although no sources are cited, this post is in bold lettering and uses some CAPITAL letters, so it must be true. ;)

    I'm done with my tangents, back to the original thread topic: the mp44. :mp44kickback:
     
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    drop the a-bomb on the bolshevik hordes? I dont think that would go over too well with Stalin.
     
  10. JCFalkenbergIII

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    Yes it is and its not the Sturmgewehr 44 is it?
     
  11. Stefan

    Stefan Cavalry Rupert

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    POS, have you missed the sheer number of posts devoted to pointing out that the AK47 and the Stg44 were different weapons, had different mechanisms and were only similar in that they used a shortened version of a normal rifle cartridge and looked vaguely alike. Further confusion is generally the province of the misguided and the ignorant

    No, on Germany, not the USSR. Easy to get those two mixed up I know but try not to.
     
  12. Vince Noir

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    Yup... Generally by people who cant hit a barn door...

    Actually, most in use are AK-74s and other deriatives. I would also wager that the copies made in other countries are not as reliable.

    A friend made a comment to me regarding AKs in Iraq. Apparently Russian made ones are excellent but the quality drops off very quickly in those produced elsewhere... The same is true with regards to ammunition.

    As for the STG-44... Best weapon of the war? Im not sure about that. Its quite heavy and a big beastie to carry around all day.

    But its not the weapon that counts... Its the man firing it.
     
  13. Mibo

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    I betcha my steel-knife is more reliable.

    And why wont you accept the fact, provided by people that atleast seem to have much more knowledge of guns and WW2 then you, That the Sturmgewehr 44 is not the AK47?

    Cool weapon it is though. I wonder if it had any problems, almost all new guns have some sort of de-effincies when launched in big quantities. :confused:
     
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    Most used only because millions of African militias and guerrillas use it because its cheaper than hell.

    Reliable to a certain extent...and we've had posts about the StG-44 and AK-47, like people have said...
     
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    You do have to credit it with being the worlds for Assault Rifle, from which all other assault rifles were derived. The AK improved upon some of the things the STG had. The STG by all accounts was a heavy weapon and the trend of modern weapons is to make them lighter, with higher capacity magazines.

    The Germans were clearly the first to merge a rifle with a SMG (hence Assault rifle - single shot and fully automatic combined into one gun) that was both accurate at long range, fired a relatively powerful round, but could also be used in close combat.

    History dictates that, after this, modern rifles were capable of similar feats.
     
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    I agree with everything you said here but it technically was not the 'first' assault rifle; the SVT-40 was labeled as an assault rifle when it went into production, and there were numerous attempts to design what we would call 'assault rifles' before the SVT.
     
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    From my understanding, the SVT was only a semi-automatic weapon, with a longer barrel then the STG. Basically a M-1 Garand. It might have been an attempt at an Assault Rifle, but I don't think it truly meets the criteria for one.

    The STG even looks like the offspring of a Rifle + SMG. Its shorter, stockier, heavier then a rifle, but larger then an SMG...the SVT still looks like a Rifle, and doesn't (from what i know of it) have good close-range capabilities.
     
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    Agreed; sorry for the Confusion :)
     
  19. Vince Noir

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    Now somewhere at home I have the summary of the MP-43 testing with Das Reich on the Eastern Front.

    From what I can remember, they seem to have liked the weapon, but felt it was too heavy and over complex. It was suggested by a few of the officers who took part that the best role for the weapon would be for it to be issued to one platoon in each company and then utilise that platoon as the assault platoon... Bit of a bummer if you are in that platoon. There was also some disappointment in the selection of cartridge but I cant remember what it was... I will try and dig it out when I go home.
     
  20. Hufflepuff

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    Here's a cool photo of an StG-44 fitted with a telescopic sight:

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