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  1. sniper1946

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    But the tale told by Will Lehner, 89, of Stevens Point was of a little-known episode in WWII history about a submarine and Pearl Harbor. On Monday, it earned him the nickname "Submarine Killer."
    According to Lehner:
    An hour before the attack on Pearl Harbor began Dec. 7, 1941, Lehner helped fire the first American shots of WWII. At 6:37 a.m., Lehner and others on his ship saw the conning tower with a periscope of a submarine peering above the waterline as the USS Ward patrolled the harbor.

    'Submarine Killer' helped fire first shots at Pearl Harbor | wisconsinrapidstribune.com | Wisconsin Rapids Daily Tribune
     
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    Fantastic, where did you manage to dig this story up at?? Great Story :) -Birdy
     
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    Interesting that Lehner's name isn't on the plaque. Anyone have a ship manifest to see if he was even on the ship?
     
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    Here is a link to the crew list for 7 Dec. 1941, he's on it:
     
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    ;) Maybe he stood real close to gun 1?
     
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    The gun was probably removed from Ward, probably replaced by a dual-purpose 3"50, when she was converted to a fast transport (APD) later in the war. Thus we have the gun although Ward herself was sunk by a kamikaze at Okinawa. Her survivors were rescued by a destroyer commanded by William Outerbridge, Ward's skipper on Dec 7.
     
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    #1 was on the bow, of course.

    I'm sure he remembers it this way. :rolleyes:
     
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    nevermind
     
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    I have nothing against Mr. Lehner, but I don't think this kind of thing should go unchallenged. We'll see how the paper feels about that.
     
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    I just read on Wikipedia (so I'm not sure on how accurate this is) That the USS Ward's hull was built in 17 1/2 days from her keel being laid, because of the dire need of destroyers in WWI.

    I know everyone marvels about the liberty ships constructions in WWII, but I think this is pretty impressive as well for 1918! (If it's indeed true)
     
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    Contact report from the USS Ward:
     
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    It never says, in the article, that gun #1 is responsible for sinking the sub. I would blame any misconceptions on the person writing and editing the story than I would Mr. Lehner.

    The Navy's contact report says that each gun fired one shot and the article states that the second shot is the one that hit. I think somone is a poor listener.
     
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    Says there he was on "the gun firing shots at the submarine."

    WARD'S ATTACK ON MIDGET SUB

    At this point I don't know of any gun except #3 that fired on the sub. Even if #1 and #2 fired, #3 is the "sub killer" here according to the records.
     
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    this is from the contact report from the Ward that I posted earlier:

    That appears to be the OOD's narrative of the engagement and it says #1 and #3 guns engaged. For whatever reason it does not appear that #2 took part.
     
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    Sorry, missed that.

    I'll give the guy full points for being on the Ward and reserve anything else until I know what he actually said.
     

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