Just picking up on what you said Muss. Two questions for everyone... Should real violent games be banned? Do violent games effect children? To my first question, I feel games that encourage you to rape and kill a women in the game is just plain sick and is not needed. It dose seem in a very select few games the makers have crossed the line some what. on saying that I believe they are thinking about the money rolling in other than the moral question. As for my second question yes and no. If there was a clear cut case then surely there would be a greater number of children being violent? As for my yes part, we are all effected by something or other but a lot more has to be taken in to account as there are so many factors at work here.