What Is Going On With Immigration In The U.S.?

Big news up here. Hearing about an inundation of peoples on the southern U.S. border... Wonder what Francis would say. It seems like a decent thing to do- allowing people who want a better life to immigrate without process.
Anyone want to shed some light on what is going on?

 

Lifeboat theory...

 

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We should bus right them through to Canada.

 

yeah Poppy, people have always been the problem.....for generations now they have been wanting a better life by leaving lands of tyrrany and oppression, expressing their "manifest destiny" upon lands already occupied by others. And of course each time they ask themselves this basic question........"Is this legal?" upon finding the satisfactory answer they have proceeded to mount the numbers upon the new shores. The only ones that seemed to have failed in this quest are the ones that came to Roswell and of course those that came later to our southern borders. Now it has become popular to place a label on these groups as "illegal aliens" as they no longer seem to be included in the "Manifest Destiny" portfolio of accepted peoples. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WugJoLib5k

 

"We should bus right them through to Canada."

Hold on. We never said this: http://www.factmonster.com/ipka/A0874962.html

"Give me your tired, your poor...The wretched refuse...homeless..." etc etc... How come it was ok back in 1886 , but not now?

Canada has a huge immigrant population per capita. Just go to any fast food joint. I was on a construction site in Airdrie, and it sounded like the United Nations. Russian, Polish, Mexican, Filipino, Jamaican, Irish etc etc.

 

The USA is founded on immigration. It's also tradition for anyone who has actually been born in the country to denigrate poor immigrants.

The current issue is that the US has shipped a lot of jobs overseas and moved more towards a welfare state.

The US has received 50,000 children without parents since October. The average cost to the government for a foster child is $40,000 a year. That's 2 billion a year for those 50,000.
The chances are most are not in great health or well educated adding to the drain.

In conclusion immigration is necessary and a good thing. We import a lot of our scientists. However each immigrant cost the taxpayer more that they used to. No one's happy about that part.

 

I was just kidding about busing them to Canada, Poppy.

We've always had a lot of immigration from the south, both legal and illegal. Most of the time it's been a pretty good marriage. Mexicans and Americans, despite the language difference, are pretty similar people. In the heartland at least, Americans still go to church, work hard and like a cold beer and a good joke - just like Mexicans. Mexicans have always fit right in and by the second generation they aren't Mexicans, they're your brother-in-law.

In today's climate though, with high unemployment and a growing welfare state, too many are coming in for the benefits or the promise of benefits. Look at some of the pix coming in from the border - guys from El Salvador with gang symbols tattooed on their faces. Children from central America just being dumped across the border knowing that under this regime, they won't be sent back.

We aren't an economic powerhouse any more. We can't absorb these people unless we make them dependents of the welfare state. There are no jobs and many of these people are unemployable anyway.

 

Poppy....now you see how quick people are to change the rules after "their lineage" has reaped the rewards of settling in the new land illegaly(all non-natives are by definition illegal), yet want to compare us to foreign countries. It seems they do not want to even get the sign changed and mail back the Statue of Liberty................guess they want it both ways....immigrants to do the work while carrying an undesirable label meanwhile more are attracted by 1880 signs and the first complaint is after they make a law protecting said individuals they gripe about what the law now costs them. See Poppy....people are the problem....both sides of the isle, both sides of the issue, Poppy you opened the "pandora's box" . When we look for a solution we can probably find one......when we look for faults there is going to be no end to the list of faults we can find............do you think we could just look for a good compassinate solution?

 

What do you suggest?

 

The first step to a solution---- okay this is a hard one--------we must participate and vote in elections and put people of both parties into office that can compromise.......the kind of compromises that our country and constitution was founded upon. As long as we put our "solution finders" into office to obstruct and complain, that is all our system will produce-......obstruction and complaining with no solutions. I am no great solution finder but I do recognize how our system worked to progress in the past and know we are not headed in the same direction with what we are now doing. I love this country and all it's people and hope we get over the stilted politics we recently have been practicing and return to what once made us great...the ability to compromise. Sorry I do not have a detailed plan to solve problems that have festered for so long.....but I try to elect responsible people.....not idealogues that cannot break the rules of their political dogmas.

 

Jeff, I would disagree with you on the "reconquista" thing. Those fools don't represent the majority of the illegals coming in, as Shakespeare said "It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.”

Where we surely do agree is that we simply can't afford it any more! Those low wage jobs now come with a whole package of socialized benefits - health care, housing, EBT cards, Obama phones. We're now borrowing 40 cents on every dollar this idiotic government spends. We can't afford to subsidize a bunch of illegals.

 

Slipdigit.....I will point out something........several years ago there was a great indignation about things that were Japanese and indeed there was resentment amongst a few people here that their economy was doing well when we were losing a lot of our manufacturing to foreign markets. The Japanese became the scapegoat for our woes with many people harping on and complaining about properties that Japanese busnessmen purchased here in our country at that time. They made big assertions about how expansive they were in our country and questioned those liberties that were taken. I never felt that way and have always seen the Japanese as performing as our friends around the world whenever they could in the post war years. Of course there are people who do not feel as I do about our long term relationship with Japan. The fears that were expressed about their aggressive business ventures were great but never saw a fruition that did anything significant to harm our country.....time is a testimony to that. They did not have an economy that was going to swallow us up as was feared. You want me to address Mexico to our South.........I say what for? Our freedoms are incomparable in most ways to most countries especially if they are 3rd world countries as Mexico is. If you say the Statue of Liberty is only pointing to Europe....you need to tell that to the whole world as the ideals posted are read by the whole world irregardless of who it is pointing to. I point out that it is not just Mexico that people are coming from but most of the countries of Middle and South America, so it would not be effective to argue about Mexico alone. I am saying that we cannot demonstrate different standards and sets of rules for any people around the world without having some scrutiny about all of us already here experiencing freedom in this great country. Someone says we are no longer prosperous enough to absorb people however I may agree to some extent however......we are living in an age here where our prosperity, food supply, oil supply, stock markets etc. have rarely done better than now.....and that is apparent to the world even if we do not want to admit that to be so true. They see........what is here. It is that simple. It is that situation, where pointing the fingers at the so called "illegals" leaves three fingers pointing back at ourselves.

 

Know you were kidding KB, there is a little bit of truth in every joke. That's what makes'em funny.
Wondering how or what got this ball rolling. Was the influx too great, the guards couldn't manage, the word got out, and next thing it snowballed? Did the president say " come on in" or do something that created this scenario? What was the trigger.

 

You are living in a different world than I am. Do you not realize that this regime is borrowing 40 cents for every dollar it spends? Do you have any idea what that means when the dollar collapses because of this? And you think we can afford to take in millions of more people to be subsidized by the welfare state?

 

The trigger is that the Obama regime is no longer catching and deporting them, but catching them and letting them go - or even housing and feeding them. Now they are making the argument that since we have so many illegals we need "immigration reform" which simply means citizenship - amnesty. The reason? Voters. Voters for the party that gave them amnesty and sends them a check every month. A permanent underclass that will always vote for the "free stuff" party.

 

The US sends so much aid money overseas that eventually gets missused or lost/stolen- use the money at home that was earmarked for yonder... And if they could trim that black budget, caring for a couple extra hundred thousand immigrants should be very easy. People first, guns and politics should be last.