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Admiral Graf Spee- Raising

Discussion in 'The War at Sea' started by Che_Guevara, Dec 4, 2005.

  1. Ome_Joop

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    Do you think they have any manners?

    back to topic...

    I just hope they can raise and restore it...than i'll visit it at Montevideo that is for sure :D

    BTW it's almost 66 years ago that she was scuttled (17th December 1939)!
     
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    Frankly, I think they should leave her where she is.
     
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    nooooooooooo, i want her, as a fishing boat :grin:

    no serious, it's a wreck, in front of a harbour. taht can cause accidents. just raise the goddam thing and restore it. i love to stand on her deck, watch what's keft of the 11" inche guns, aaaaaahhhhh :D
     
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    Okay, Quillin, whatever trips your trigger... :wink:
     
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    well, first it must be raised before we can see her (unless you know how to dive)
     
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    I have a couple of friends who dive.
     
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    I know how to dive...but i need to get my BSAC first :wink:

    How is the visibility in that wather?
    I know it's in the Harbor so i reckon it's very muddy and low visibility!
    Still i rather would have it raised (maybe a dive first...than have it raised :D !)
     
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    The rangefinder (L) of Nazi pocket battleship Admiral Graf Spee sits on the floor of the Plate River seven kilometers from the Uruguayan capital, Montevideo, after being separated from the ship when it was scuttled and sunk by its commander on December 17, 1939, as seen in this computer-generated image made from sonar data late in 2003. The Graf Spee Project, a plan to recover the entire ship piece-by-piece over the next few years to make a museum, will try again on February 11, 2004, to recover the rangefinder after a failed attempt on February 9. (Handout/Thomas Schmid-Graf Spee Project)

    http://www.allhatnocattle.net/2-17-04_a ... achine.htm
     
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    The rangefinder of Nazi pocket battleship Admiral Graf Spee sits on the floor of the Plate River seven kilometres from the Uruguayan capital, Montevideo, after being separated from the ship when it was scuttled and sunk by its commander. —Reuters

    http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.as ... 2004_pg9_4
     
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    :cry: :cry: , the entire bridge has tubled off. look at her, completly mutilated :cry: :cry:

    anyway, since we are talking about the Spee. did she had to be scutted? was she capable of breaking out? the britisch only had the CL ajax and achilles and the CA Cumberland (was it the cumberland?) against her. same as the battle of the river plate (only exeter as CA). i think that she could blast her way out of it and escape to the atlantic and hide there before the rest of the RN appeared near Montevideo
     
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    AGS was low on ammunition, had some unrepairable damages, was making around 24 knots max. I cant see how she could have escaped from 30+ knot cruisers, even at night.
     
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    simply, just shoot at the cruisers waterline :bang: and no more cruiser to follow you
     
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    Easier said than done...
     
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    Surely she had tried that eariler, and it did not work then... :wink:
     
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    but exeter had to abort the fighting or she was sunk.
    anyway, i think the captain of the AGS was a fool. instead of fleeing from Ajax and Achilles i would have taken them too. and, some hits of exeter bounced of of the armor of AGS so what change would those CL's had?
     
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    They always could torpedo AGS. Remember, AGS was already short of ammunition.
    Besides, from close range even those 6" guns can easily penetrate beltarmour of AGS.
     
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    Not to mention she had no safe repair facilities handy. Anything that gets shot up is going to remain shot up.
     
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    and what about her supply ship the Altmark. couldn't she do some small repairs?
     
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    I think the operative word is 'small'
     
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    The heavy cruiser HMS CUMBERLAND had joined AJAX and ACHILLES in patrolling off Montevideo. She was, IIRC, a sister ship of EXETER.
     

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