Alternative time lines

I remember, when I was at primary school during the 1980's, we took our geography books and calculated how far the nearest soviet units were from where we live.

We also had playing cards with military planes and calculated which soviet planes could reach our region....

 

what if the czarist forces had established a seperate government , and where do you think it would have been ? (russian revolution 1917-20)something like when chaing sheks forces had retreated to the island of taiwan after the defeat in the chinese civil war.

 

The problem is that the only reason Chiang survived on Taiwan (well, it was Formosa at the time ) was the support of the USA.

I know that many European nations (including Britain) did send token forces to support the 'Whites' in the civil war, but I doubt that they would have made any determined effort to preserve an independant 'Czarist' state - especially as the Communists killed off the Royal family.

 

There were considerable white russians in exile after the russian civil war, tough not on russian ground.

Most of them were concentrated in Paris(some 180.000 in the 1920's).

France(as well as other western nations) planned to use them to overthrow the bolchevikh regime, but it proved to be impossible.(one reason was that white russians were infected with soviet agents).

France finally recognized the USSR in 1924(or 1925?) and that was officially the end of plans for ovethrowing the communists.

 

Germany had an A-bomb

Found this on an alternatate time line site

http://www.othertimelines.com/viewtimel ... ineID=1288


Timeline Number: 1288
Event Date: 4-13-1945
Event Description: As the German reich collapses, the only remaining operational type XXI U-boat leaves Kiel on a mission into the Baltic. Carried aboard is Rabe, the Germans only A-Bomb. Hitlers last orders to the boat is initially to use it to destroy London, but Donitz chnages the target to Leningrad.


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Timeline Number: 1288
Event Date: 4-20-1945
Event Description: The U Boat slips past its final obstacle, the naval fortress of Kronstadt, and enters Leningrad harbour. However, the raft that is meant to carry the bomb in on the tide has been damaged in transit.
The Captain moves his U-boat right into the heart of Leningrad, in front of the St Peter and Paul fortress, surfaces, and detonates the bomb at exactly 6:47PM.
The destruction of central Leningrad is total, with around 900,000 people being killed instantly. Stalin is informed at 7:10, and sinks into a deep depression.


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Timeline Number: 1288
Event Date: 4-22-1945
Event Description: Stalin's deep depression turns into a vast rage, which he blasts onto the Stavka. Such is the intensity of his anger, that, after twenty minutes, he stops mid sentence and collapses. A huge stroke has killed off most of his brain's vital areas.
The death of Stalin causes the Red army to firstly pause, then back off. The Western Allies drive forward, heading for Prague and Vienna, in order to prevent communist governments from being established there.


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Timeline Number: 1288
Event Date: 4-28-1945
Event Description: In the confustion that still reigns over the issue of leadership in the Kremlin, Zuchov returns from Germany at the head of a whole army, 'borrowed' from one of the reserve areas, and seizes power in a lightning coup. Molotov, Khrushchev and Beria are killed by firing squads, and Zuchov prepares to order a resumption of the advance on Berlin, when news comes in the Allies have taken Prague, and are pushing on Eastwards. Zuchov, unwilling to risk a war, requests a division of Cezchoslovakia into two areas, and reissues his rights over the assault on the city of Berlin.


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Timeline Number: 1288
Event Date: 5-1-1945
Event Description: One of Stalins bodyguards manages to shoot dead Zuchov as he oversees the May Day parade, but is shot dead himself in the process. Timoshenko returns to Moscow, at the same time as Vasilefsky, both declare leadership of the USSR. Neither will back off, so both begin assembling loyal troops around their respective capitals, Timoshenko at Novgorod, Vasilefsky at Kiev. Koniev negotiates a withdrawal of all Soviet forces from Yugoslavia, abandoning Tito to the mercy of the royalist gureillas, who are now on the offensive. At the same time, Truman orders that three US carriers be sent to the Baltic in order to prevent 'rampant anarchy (communism) breaking out in the Baltic states and Poland'.

 

A whole stack of alternate timelines here

http://www.othertimelines.com/selectTimeline.php

 

thought we did something about that...

 

Yes, there was a topic on that somewhere, which was no doubt concluded by Isaac's informing us that if Hitler hadn't invaded the SSSR in June 1941, the SSSR would have done the opposite very little later. Therefore there really isn't only a question of when the Germans would invade Russia: the question is when one side will invade the other and start the conflict.