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America doesn't fight.

Discussion in 'What If - European Theater - Western Front & Atlan' started by harolds, Jan 12, 2018.

  1. Carronade

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    Roderick posted "This cripples Britain as by now she has used up her entire gold reserves, this get worse when both Canada and South Africa are running dry their gold reserves, while Germany has plenty of cash and gold reserves." and I'm a bit stuck on it too. Germany did overrun several countries, but they evacuated much? most? of their gold, along with items like diamonds from jewelers in the Netherlands. It would be interesting if someone has solid information.
     
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    Fables of "Lost Nazi Gold" are popular on the weirder TV channels.
     
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    Efficiency is not a marshal tactic. :cool:
     
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    I believe he is pulling an Achilleus and is sulking in his tent, albeit not over a slave girl.

    The notion that seems to be so oddly common amongst what iffers is that when they post a scenario, which very evidently was a product of the Good Idea Fairy rather than actual research, they expect it to be met by a chorus of acclamation, kudos, and cries of "what a smart boy you are!" rather than questions and explanations of why it was unlikely to come to pass. It also seems to be universal that when they get a questioning reaction, they immediately go into a huff and accuse others of a lack of imagination, rather than reexamine their own knowledge on a subject. It is tiresome.
     
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    I think of it as "Let's play Square Dance Football, it's great." Not a fan of Square Dance Football. "But what-if it was fun!" There have been occasions when a What-If was intriguing, but there's so much reality out there that I don't want to spare the time. And Lord knows we have enough work to be done on the actual historical record.
     
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    I was thinking about this, wondering if America being able to focus entirely on the Japanese would mean a greater involvement in the CBI theatre, which may well mean that the Burma Road is either not broken by the Japanese or is recaptured quickly.

    I then wondered whether US forces would get involved in mainland China, but got distracted by realising that British and US forces would be working together out East, and how that would work in terms of cooperation, lend-lease, and American avoidance of any sign of helping the British in Europe, while fighting Germany's ally alongside Germay's enemy
     
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    The public considered the Germans a greater threat than the Japanese pre-Pearl Harbor. The fact that the Japanese struck first probably wouldn't change that.
     
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    Anglo-American cooperation in CBI is an interesting question. Although allies, they had different priorities: the US primarily concerned with supporting China, Britain with regaining her colonies. The initial Japanese onslaught would still take Burma and cut the Burma Road, but reopening northern Burma might be an area where the allies could agree.

    No doubt there would be some resentment on the British side if the US was not also allied against Germany; how might that affect cooperation against Japan?
     
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    Woulda, Coulda, and Didn'ta is an interesting topic but consider, okay America doesn't interfere. Germany runs ramshackle over Europe, Japan is unopposed. The USA fortified our borders and let come what may. What then ?
    There are a few scenarios; 1 After all is done and over, the USA has built up a formidable Hemisphere consisting of the USA,- Canada-Mexico and Northern South America. Hitler and eventually Hirohito die or are assassinated? The United States decides it's our turn. By now we have 'The Bomb' and see the time to clear the World of Communism & Fascist. The heart of Europe (Germany) is attacked, followed by a stern warning to the Japanese Empire to Stand To!
    Then a few years later Tokyo receives thousands of B52's?

    Just another WACT.
     
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    True about the polls, but as we have discussed a thousand times or so, there was no desire for the US to initiate hostilities with Germany. The invitation is still open to draft a speech FDR could have made to Congress and the American people in the aftermath of Pearl Harbor to convince them to add to our enemies the one that was on the verge of dominating most of Europe.
     
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    We were already fighting "short of war" in the Atlantic. Americans considered Germany to be a greater threat than Japan AFTER Pearl Harbor. The "Axis" was spoken of as one entity with three heads. Hitler's declaration of war was not at all unexpected by the American public.
     
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    Exactly.
     
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    Short of a formal declaration, that is.
     
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    I know a lot of people who tend to vote based on those same beliefs. Can't say I miss them much.
     
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