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Corona Virus - How is that working for you?

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  1. Terry D

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    You can recover from being out of work. You can't recover from being dead.
     
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    ugh. cant get the pertinant chinese WHO twitter post to co operate/ paste. it was relevant.
     
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    still- contributions to WHO.
    why does ccp contribute so much less, yet seems over represented
    time for canada to also stop with the donations
     
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    Because, their is very little voluntary contribution from China, whereas assessed US payment is 1/3rd their total contribution, with voluntary payments make up the other 2/3rds.
     
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    Fauci - is already halfway under the bus.

    Birx - A scarf a day keeps Coronavirus away.
     
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    Australia puts in about 5 million
     
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    I donated yesterday.

    They do good work.
     
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    ....the $$$ the US wastes on WHO, can be and should be spent for Americans......same with all the foreign aid/etc we give....
    ....plus we give foreigners hundreds of thousands of jobs per year
    etc
     
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    The assessed money that the US pays the WHO Will buy roughly two F-35B fighter jets, or 1/3rd of a useless LCS warship.

    The estimated number of legal foreign workers(1.5 million) constitutes an entire vast...
    1% of the US labor force.

    It would help if you actually knew or at least researched the topics before you vomit your bile about them.
     
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    Even that misses the point, Takao.

    In a complete spirit of selfishness, giving money to the WHO helps Americans. We benefit when the world is free of TB, polio, and measles. We Americans benefit when our fellow humans have clean water and functioning sanitation. So I now donate my own money to WHO because my country seems too shortsighted to help me out directly.

    I only give money to WHO out of spirit of self-interest and provincial bias. Sorry if I sound like an @$$hole, but that's me.

    As for labor,....local ranchers here are already fearing that their operations might fail. They rely on seasonal Mexican labor to help with Springtime work (lambing, calving, sowing, etc....). There aren't enough local Americans to do the work. And, when they do hire locals, the locals can't handle the long hours of hard work for low pay. They don't last. It turns out that ranch work doesn't involve sitting behind a desk in an air-conditioned room with internet access. So locals quit. Today's Americans are just plain soft.

    Now, the CoV has put a cork in the Mexican labor supply and my peeps are worried. The sooner WHO can help get the CoV under control in Mexico, the sooner we can get American ranches up and working. We need healthy Mexicans with strong backs and buckets of tenacity. I'm rooting for them! If you enjoy beef for dinner, you'll be rooting for those Mexicans, too.

    I'd be worried, but Mr Churchill gives me hope:

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    Everyone should read these two links. As testing really becomes widely available, this virus becomes a lot less scary.

    This first "control group" is the USS Roosevelt. 60% of those testing positive have no symptoms at all. We don't know the condition of the others, but as far as I know only 1 person from that ship died. Other stories on this vessel indicate most are simply confined to quarters and checked on twice a day.

    Coronavirus clue? Most cases aboard U.S. aircraft carrier are symptom-free

    Ah ha! I hear you say, those sailors are young healthy people so hardly a good control group when compared to the greater population.
    But... When testing 100% of a homeless shelter (which would be the most run down segment of our society), 100% of those carrying the virus are also symptom free.

    CDC reviewing ‘stunning’ universal testing results from Boston homeless shelter

    The lack of testing has been the problem all along. When you only have enough tests to check the most gravely ill you end up comparing the "number of confirmed cases" against the "mortality rate" and getting an overall death rate of greater than one per hundred. As testing is becoming more widely available we are getting a rate that may be closer to one per thousand. The majority of people contracting this virus won't even know they had it until routine antibody testing comes along and wide swathes of the population are tested.

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    KB. From your link. “It (testing homeless population, Navy ship) tells you, you don’t know who’s at risk. You don’t know what you need to do to contain the virus if you don’t actually have the details or facts,” said Marty Martinez, Boston’s chief of Health and Human Services."

    I find this info less than comforting. I'm feeling like Col Darby must have felt when he ordered the !st and 3rd Battalions into Cisterna without good intel.

    The is testing to see who has it. The known that is still unknown is if asymptomatic carriers can transmit it.

    MR from the FOP. Beautiful Blue sky spring day!! Just heard that my mechanic is hurting for biz and his customers are saying they can only pay 1/2 of the bill. I'm gonna get the AT fluid in my Jeep changed to spend some of the $1200 to stimulate the economy.

    I interviewed 4 local mechanics before I found the right one. A good honest mechanic is worth $$$.
     
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    Look, the Spanish Flu in 1918 killed 675,000 Americans out of a population of 100 million. That's about 30 times the magnitude that the current models predict from this virus. Right now, 33,000 are dead and if that doubles (I hope it won't), it will still only be 10% of the fatalities of the Spanish Flu, yet in a country that now has three times as many people. I'm at risk, maybe you're at risk, but do we want to destroy the future of our children who are young and not at risk? I see the current economic outlook as far worse than any damage this virus can do. We, the whole world, need to pull back and go to work again. The bug is not nearly as bad as we thought it was before we could do extensive testing.

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    KB, I recently read a study from New York city.

    15% of pregnant women admitted to a hospital to deliver a baby tested positive for CoV. Only about 2% of the women admitted had any symptoms. (vs 13% who had no idea they would be positive.)

    That's a surprising result.

    If the rest of the USA were infected at at 15% rate, that would be around 45 million infections. (Keep in mind, 'flu' is only thought to have infected 39 million Americans over a 5-month period.)

    I doubt that NYC is representative of the rest of the USA (thank gawd). But the study does support your epidemiologist who thinks we have far more asymptomatic infections than we realize.
     
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    This bug still seems worse than I originally thought.

    Speak with a nurse or physician who has actually treated a CoV patient.

    It's bad.

    It is tough to compare this to the 1918 influenza virus. We know more now than we did then. Treatment has advanced by a century...if not a light year. And still SARS-CoV-2 is killing more people than the usual 'flu'.

    It's bad. Don't get it.
     
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    Please regale us with your sad tale of woe on how the Great Depression destroyed your life.

    The economy will get over this hiccup just as it has gotten over all the other hiccups that have come before it.

    No "childrens' futures" will be destroyed.
     
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